ADVrider

Go Back   ADVrider > Riding > Racing
User Name
Password
Register Inmates Photos Site Rules Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 08-19-2013, 07:34 AM   #1456
RedRocket
Yeah! I want Cheesy Poofs
 
RedRocket's Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Location: SoCal
Oddometer: 19,219
Quote:
Originally Posted by Norhasken View Post
I so wanted to see Kimi and Seb on the same team.
That would have been exciting for sure.
RedRocket is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2013, 08:29 AM   #1457
g容g OP
Canadian living in exile
 
g容g's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Location: 41.655984,-71.302657
Oddometer: 6,145
quite a headline....


McLaren trying to ride its momentum



__________________
Greg
Europe 2013 Europe 2012 Europe 2011 England 2010 Gaspe PQ 2008 Nova Scotia 2007

Try to see the world beyond your front door.
g容g is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2013, 11:16 AM   #1458
wxwax
Excited Member
 
wxwax's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Location: Atlanta, GA
Oddometer: 74,212
Quote:
Originally Posted by g容g View Post
Red Bull has opted for Daniel Ricciardo.
Given their preference for a defined #2 driver, that makes sense.
__________________
Sid.

It has been said that man is a rational animal. All my life I have been searching for evidence which could support this.
-- Bertrand Russell

To make an apple pie from scratch,
you must first invent the universe.
-- Carl Sagan
wxwax is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2013, 11:29 AM   #1459
PeteN95
Beastly Adventurer
 
PeteN95's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Location: Muk, WA
Oddometer: 2,525
Quote:
Originally Posted by Norhasken View Post
I so wanted to see Kimi and Seb on the same team.
Seems there ought to be at least as many fireworks with Kimi and Fernando?!
__________________
"If you ain't slidin', you ain't ridin'"

SVN/XRR/Christini
PeteN95 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2013, 01:35 PM   #1460
g容g OP
Canadian living in exile
 
g容g's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Location: 41.655984,-71.302657
Oddometer: 6,145
Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteN95 View Post
Seems there ought to be at least as many fireworks with Kimi and Fernando?!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23761323

Quote:
Kimi Raikkonen 'wants Ferrari return' claims Eddie Jordan


Kimi Raikkonen is targeting a move to Ferrari following Red Bull's decision to sign Daniel Ricciardo, BBC F1 chief analyst Eddie Jordan says.
A deal for the Finn to return to the team for whom he won the 2007 title may be announced as soon as next month's Italian Grand Prix, Jordan said.
Ferrari said the claim was "not true" and that no decision had yet been made.
Jordan added that Ricciardo, 24, had already signed to partner Sebastian Vettel at Red Bull next season.
Ricciardo's promotion from junior team Toro Rosso is to be announced at this weekend's Belgian Grand Prix, Jordan said.
Raikkonen's F1 history

  • 2001 (Sauber): 10th
  • 2002 (McLaren): 6th
  • 2003 (McLaren): 2nd
  • 2004 (McLaren): 7th
  • 2005 (McLaren): 2nd
  • 2006 (McLaren): 5th
  • 2007 (Ferrari): 1st
  • 2008 (Ferrari): 3rd
  • 2009 (Ferrari): 6th
  • 2012 (Lotus): 3rd


A Red Bull spokeswoman said: "We don't have anything to announce at present but will advise when we do."
A Ferrari spokesman said the Italian team were concentrating on improving their car to boost Fernando Alonso's title challenge.
He added: "This is the exact same scenario as last year - with not only Kimi but a long list of other drivers allegedly going to Ferrari.
"At the moment our priority is produce the car for Fernando and Felipe (Massa) and a decision on the 2014 line-up will be made at the appropriate moment, which is not right now."
On Monday, Raikkonen's manager Steve Robertson told BBC Sport's chief F1 writer Andrew Benson that the 20-time grand prix winner, 33, would not be driving for Red Bull next year.
Robertson said: "Talks broke down. We haven't spoken for a little while and it's clear Kimi won't be driving for Red Bull in 2014.
"Kimi's a free agent. He still has options out there.
"There's a lot of things happening behind the scenes and I'm pretty confident he will be in F1 next year."
Asked specifically whether Ferrari were an option, he said: "Until they confirm their seats, my job is to speak to all the teams and see what's available."
Jordan said Raikkonen had made a return to Red Bull his first priority but when talks with the world champions broke down, he turned his attention to Ferrari.
He could also stay with current team Lotus for a third season.
Alonso is under contract until the end of 2016, but Ferrari are considering replacing Massa, who has had an inconsistent season.
BBC Sport understands that senior figures within the Ferrari team want Massa out and are keen for Raikkonen to return but that Ferrari president Luca Di Montezemolo is not keen on the idea.
Signing Raikkonen would be an admission they had made a mistake when they chose to end his contract a year early at the end of 2009 and pay him not to drive for them in 2010, when Alonso joined.
They preferred Massa as the Spaniard's partner, despite the Brazilian at the time recovering from a fractured skull sustained in an accident at the 2009 Hungarian Grand Prix.


Although Raikkonen won the title for Ferrari in 2007, Massa outscored him throughout their time as team-mates through the following two years.
World champions Red Bull had made it clear they were choosing between Raikkonen and Ricciardo for the seat that has been made vacant for next season following Mark Webber's decision to leave F1 to drive for Porsche in sportscar racing.
Raikkonen was a known quantity and would be a choice they could guarantee would at least match the contribution Webber made to three consecutive constructors' world titles since 2010.
But Ricciardo's promotion will be a vindication for the Red Bull young driver programme, from which so far only Vettel has graduated to the senior team.
The 24-year-old is also likely to be a malleable choice who will play a support role for Vettel without the friction that developed between the German and Webber and which may well have emerged had Raikkonen, a former world champion, joined the team.
It remains to be seen whether Ricciardo has the ability to cope with the step up to the highest level of F1, and the pressure that brings.
His best result for Toro Rosso is a seventh place, although he has three times qualified sixth.
__________________
Greg
Europe 2013 Europe 2012 Europe 2011 England 2010 Gaspe PQ 2008 Nova Scotia 2007

Try to see the world beyond your front door.
g容g is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2013, 09:31 AM   #1461
g容g OP
Canadian living in exile
 
g容g's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Location: 41.655984,-71.302657
Oddometer: 6,145
the season so far

Quote:
The 2014 F1 season so far in numbers

Who's done best in qualifying? how about the most race laps? which team is the benchmark in pit-stops?...and much more.


Tuesday, August 20, 2013



By Hanna Hough





Hamilton, Rosberg, Raikkonen, Vettel and Alonso have accumulated most of the headlines this season. (LAT Photo)




August 20th, 2013 (F1plus/H. Hough).- With the Belgian Grand Prix just days away, it seems like an appropriate time to take a look at the season so far in numbers. With nine races in the next fourteen weeks, drivers are facing an action packed run to the Brazilian Grand Prix. Sebastian Vettel has a commanding 38 point lead over Kimi R鄜kk霵en and 39 point lead over Fernando Alonso, but who will come out on top? Heres a look at the season so far in numbers.
The Basics
Lewis Hamilton has the most pole positions this season (4) with Mercedes securing the most as a team (7). In terms of race wins, Sebastian Vettel is on top (4), with Fernando Alonso and Nico Rosberg winning two apiece. Vettels four wins put Red Bull on top (4) but just one race win ahead of Mercedes (3). Vettel also has the most podiums so far (7). Eight drivers have been on the podium in 2013 from four teams Red Bull have the most (10) followed by Lotus (8), Ferrari (6) and Mercedes (6).

Qualifying
Sebastian Vettel and Nico Hulkenberg are the only two drivers to out-qualify their team-mates at every race so far in 2013. McLaren, Force India and Williams have the most evenly matched team-mates in terms of qualifying, with one driver having a 6-4 lead over the other.
There have been 16 qualifying grid-drops in 2013 so far: Kimi R鄜kk霵en (2), Felipe Massa (2), Mark Webber (2), Esteban Gutierrez (2), Giedo van der Garde (2), Max Chilton (1), Romain Grosjean (1), Lewis Hamilton (1), Daniel Ricciardo (1), Paul di Resta (1), and Charles Pic (1). At this stage in 2012, Pastor Maldonado had had three grid penalties himself, but this year has managed to avoid them so far.
Paul di Resta has made up the most positions (grid to chequered flag) so far this season with a total of 30 positions gained. Charles Pic has gained 15 places while Giedo van der Garde has gained 13 places.
The top ten in qualifying, in terms of their average starting positions (taking grid-drops and exclusions into consideration) are as follows:
  • Lewis Hamilton (2.6)
  • Sebastian Vettel (2.7)
  • Nico Rosberg (4)
  • Fernando Alonso (5.3)
  • Kimi R鄜kk霵en (6.4)
  • Mark Webber (6.9)
  • Felipe Massa (8.6)
  • Romain Grosjean (9.2)
  • Adrian Sutil (10)
  • Daniel Ricciardo (10)
In terms of team-mates, Caterham have the smallest difference between their drivers starting positions (0.3). McLaren have a 0.6 difference while Williams have 1.1. The biggest difference can be seen at Sauber where there is a 5.4 gap.

Finishes
Five drivers have a 100% classified finishes record: Kimi R鄜kk霵en, Lewis Hamilton, Jenson Button, Sergio Perez, and Max Chilton. In terms of actually finishing races, however, only R鄜kk霵en, Hamilton and Chilton have done the business. McLaren have the most classified finishes (20) while Toro Rosso have the least (14). Marussia and Red Bull have the most actual finishes (18) while Toro Rosso again have the least (13).
R鄜kk霵en is the only driver to have finished in the points at all ten races. Vettel, Hamilton, Mark Webber and Fernando Alonso have finished outside the points on just one occasion each. Red Bull have the most points finishes (18) while Marussia and Caterham both have 0 points finishes.
The British Grand Prix saw the most drivers on the lead lap at the chequered flag (18) with the Canadian Grand Prix having just five drivers on the lead lap at the chequered flag. The Chinese Grand Prix saw eight different teams scoring points. The average for the season so far is six teams scoring per race.
The Bahrain Grand Prix had the most classified drivers (21) while the Monaco Grand Prix had the fewest (16). The Monaco Grand Prix also had the most retirements (7) with Bahrain having only one.

Leading
The Malaysian Grand Prix saw the most lead changes (11) but only had four different race leaders. Nico Rosberg led the Monaco Grand Prix lights to flag, leaving it with no lead changes and only one race leader the lowest of the season. Bahrain, Canada and Britian had the same number of lead changes as there were leaders four, two and three respectively.

Pit-Stops
Giedo van der Garde has had the most pit-stops in 2013 with a total of 32. Adrian Sutil has had only 19 pit-stops, but has had three retirements. Marussia have had the most pit-stops (57) while Force India have had 42.
The Spanish Grand Prix saw the most visits to the pit-lane (82), but only 80 of these were pit-stops. Nico Hulkenberg had a stop/go penalty while Pastor Maldonado had a drive-through. Monaco had the fewest visits to pit-lane (31) including a drive-through penalty for Max Chilton. Only the Australian Grand Prix, Malaysian Grand Prix and German Grand Prix have had no drive-through or stop/go penalties meaning every visit to pit-lane was for a stop.

Laps Completed
There have been 623 racing laps so far in 2013. Kimi R鄜kk霵en and Lewis Hamilton have both completed 622 of these laps. Adrian Sutil has completed fewest race laps (490). The biggest difference between team-mates is 94 laps between Paul di Resta and Adrian Sutil. The smallest gap is 2 laps between Giedo van der Garde and Charles Pic.
Six drivers have completed over 600 laps so far in 2013: R鄜kk霵en, Hamilton, Jenson Button, Sebastian Vettel, Sergio Perez and Max Chilton.
McLaren are the team who have overall completed most racing laps, having completed 1128 out of 1246. This means they have completed 98.6% of all racing laps so far in 2013. Red Bull are next up and have completed 1194 out of 1246 racing laps (95.8%). Sauber have completed fewest racing laps (1056) but Nico Hulkenberg was unable to start the Australian Grand Prix, leaving the team at a disadvantage as they missed an entire race for one driver.
In terms of laps completed over the whole weeked free practice, qualifying and race Mercedes are top. Hamilton has completed a total of 1538 laps with team-mate Nico Rosberg next up with 1499. Jules Bianchi is the race driver who has completed fewest laps over the course of the weekend and season, with a total of 1239. Mercedes have completed a total of 3037 laps while Marussia have just 2604 in comparison.
Rodolfo Gonzalez has made most test driver appearances, driving for Marussia in free practice at four races. He has completed 66 laps so far. Heikki Kovalainen has had two outings for Caterham and completed 34 laps, while Alexander Rossi drove for Caterham once and completed 20 laps.
Vettel and Webber have three fastest laps each, meaning Red Bull have the most (6). R鄜kk霵en, Perez, Gutierrez and Alonso have one fastest lap each.

Championship
Sebastian Vettel has had the most stable championship so far. He was third after the Australian Grand Prix and moved into first place after the Malaysian Grand Prix where has has remained since. Daniel Ricciardo and Pastor Maldonado have both been in six different championship positions.
For Ricciardo it has been 19, 21, 11, 13, 12 and 14 while Maldonado has had 21, 22, 20, 17, 18, and 16. Kimi R鄜kk霵en, Lewis Hamilton and Mark Webber have all only been in three championship positions so far in 2013. R鄜kk霵en has been first, second and third; Hamilton has been fifth, fourth and third; while Webber has been sixth, third and fifth.

Safety Cars
There have been five safety cars so far in 2013. Two at Monaco, two at the British Grand Prix and one at Germany.
So there we have it, some of the numbers from the season so far. There are nine races left in the season but who will come out on top?

__________________
Greg
Europe 2013 Europe 2012 Europe 2011 England 2010 Gaspe PQ 2008 Nova Scotia 2007

Try to see the world beyond your front door.
g容g is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2013, 12:21 PM   #1462
Ace100
Expert Tomfoolerist
 
Ace100's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Location: Landers, baby, Landers!
Oddometer: 398
"McLaren - At Least We're Dependable"
Ace100 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2013, 01:10 AM   #1463
Turder
Throttle engineer
 
Turder's Avatar
 
Joined: May 2010
Location: Finland
Oddometer: 460
"Kimi to Ferrari for 2 year deal with an option for 3rd year" -talk is brewing strong over here. Few local journalists who has been in the sport for 10-20 years and with inside Ferrari source say the deal is already done and signed by Kimi. They have put their job on the line for this as they went public with their info. Interesting to see how this develops after all. They say that announcement might not come in Monza if they don't get other details done by that. Don't know if this concerns other Ferrari driver or relates to Kimi's deal (amount of PR work etc.).

When remembering Kimi's comments in Hungary there might be some connection to this. Back then Kimi said to Finnish TV that "the decision I'll do will sound strange to some but is the best for me".
__________________
Okay, I will be arrest.
Turder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2013, 05:00 AM   #1464
luxlogs
Gnarly Adventurer
 
luxlogs's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2010
Location: Joliet IL
Oddometer: 283
I love seeing Luca look Like an Idiot, he's like a dude who can't decide on which sister to date. I don't care who they hire as long as Newy is at RB Ferrari doesn't have a chance, same with Mc.

Go Sauber Go Williams, last of the independents
__________________
ABC # 11808
74 911S
87 TW200
82 R65LS
92 R100GS
luxlogs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2013, 05:52 AM   #1465
g容g OP
Canadian living in exile
 
g容g's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Location: 41.655984,-71.302657
Oddometer: 6,145
Quote:
Originally Posted by Turder View Post
"Kimi to Ferrari for 2 year deal with an option for 3rd year" -talk is brewing strong over here. Few local journalists who has been in the sport for 10-20 years and with inside Ferrari source say the deal is already done and signed by Kimi. They have put their job on the line for this as they went public with their info. Interesting to see how this develops after all. They say that announcement might not come in Monza if they don't get other details done by that. Don't know if this concerns other Ferrari driver or relates to Kimi's deal (amount of PR work etc.).

When remembering Kimi's comments in Hungary there might be some connection to this. Back then Kimi said to Finnish TV that "the decision I'll do will sound strange to some but is the best for me".

and yet....

1) First we hear Ricciardo is a 'sure thing' to be announced at Red Bull for 2014 at SPA this weekend
2) Then we hear that Raikkonen's Manager said they are done with talking to Red Bull for 2013
3) NOW we hear that Raikkonen's manager / management team will meet with Red Bull again during SPA weekend
4) And once again, everyone is back to square one - knowing nothing, and terribly confused

__________________
Greg
Europe 2013 Europe 2012 Europe 2011 England 2010 Gaspe PQ 2008 Nova Scotia 2007

Try to see the world beyond your front door.
g容g is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2013, 06:35 AM   #1466
Turder
Throttle engineer
 
Turder's Avatar
 
Joined: May 2010
Location: Finland
Oddometer: 460
Quote:
Originally Posted by g容g View Post
and yet....

1) First we hear Ricciardo is a 'sure thing' to be announced at Red Bull for 2014 at SPA this weekend
2) Then we hear that Raikkonen's Manager said they are done with talking to Red Bull for 2013
3) NOW we hear that Raikkonen's manager / management team will meet with Red Bull again during SPA weekend
4) And once again, everyone is back to square one - knowing nothing, and terribly confused

Tell me about it. Also today other Finnish newspapers say that Kimi wants to stay with Lotus. Yesterday they said Lotus doesn't have enough money for Kimi's salary (base+bonus according to championship points).

Probably most of this "news" is just to keep newspaper sales going on. Truth might be there along the lines but hard to catch.
__________________
Okay, I will be arrest.
Turder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2013, 06:41 AM   #1467
g容g OP
Canadian living in exile
 
g容g's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Location: 41.655984,-71.302657
Oddometer: 6,145
Quote:
Originally Posted by Turder View Post
Tell me about it. Also today other Finnish newspapers say that Kimi wants to stay with Lotus. Yesterday they said Lotus doesn't have enough money for Kimi's salary (base+bonus according to championship points).

Probably most of this "news" is just to keep newspaper sales going on. Truth might be there along the lines but hard to catch.

so, being a Finn, where do you want Kimi to go?
I assume you're a fan... if not then I have no time for you ('cause I am a fan of Kimi)

__________________
Greg
Europe 2013 Europe 2012 Europe 2011 England 2010 Gaspe PQ 2008 Nova Scotia 2007

Try to see the world beyond your front door.
g容g is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2013, 07:07 AM   #1468
g容g OP
Canadian living in exile
 
g容g's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Location: 41.655984,-71.302657
Oddometer: 6,145
it continues to simmer.....

Quote:
Kimi Raikkonen's priority is to stay at Lotus for F1 2014




Kimi Raikkonen will commit to a fresh deal at Lotus if the team provides him with the assurances he is seeking about its future, AUTOSPORT has learned.
After a wave of speculation this week linking the Finn with Ferrari in the wake of talks with Red Bull coming to an end, it is understood that Raikkonen's priority is actually to stay put for 2014.
The former world champion is relishing his place at the team and the way it is working for him, but wants to know it can keep its current status as one of the top teams.


Could Raikkonen rejoin Ferrari?
Rather than be actively chasing a move to Ferrari as some have suggested, Raikkonen is in fact waiting on Lotus to deliver him the guarantees he wants about its future financial and technical platforms.
If the team can do that then Raikkonen will agree to a fresh deal.
Raikkonen's manager Steve Robertson said Lotus was well aware of the situation, and knows what it needs to do in order to retain the Finn.
"Lotus holds the key to Raikkonen's future," Robertson told AUTOSPORT.
"If the team can provide him with the answers he is seeking, which will ensure he has a car that can fight for race wins and the championship, then he will stay."
Lotus is equally eager to keep Raikkonen, but team boss Eric Boullier has made it clear that it is important any deal works for both the Enstone-based outfit and its star driver.

Although Ferrari is Raikkonen's best alternative if Lotus cannot provide him with what he wants, the Maranello-based team has not yet put serious thought to its 2014 line-up.
There is also the chance that there will be no vacancy there anyway if Felipe Massa can deliver strong results after the summer break.
Raikkonen is prepared to give Lotus more time to shore up its future plans anyway, meaning that it is too premature for him to seriously consider a fallback option.
__________________
Greg
Europe 2013 Europe 2012 Europe 2011 England 2010 Gaspe PQ 2008 Nova Scotia 2007

Try to see the world beyond your front door.
g容g is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2013, 10:53 AM   #1469
A. T. T-W
Can't be bothered.
 
A. T. T-W's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Location: Centre of my universe
Oddometer: 4,422
Eddie Jordan may be bit of annoying tit but he has a record (recently) of being pretty accurate with his insider info.
__________________
Archibald Tarquin Throttle-Whistle Esq.
A. T. T-W is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2013, 11:11 AM   #1470
overlandr
Temporal Shifter
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Location: Sydney
Oddometer: 5,808
When is the next race?
overlandr is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Share

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

.
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


Times are GMT -7.   It's 05:56 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ADVrider 2011-2014