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Old 11-17-2011, 05:42 AM   #1
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Question Suzuki DL 650 (2012 edition) vs. Yamaha XTZ1200 - David vs. Goliath.

I'm going to replace my Honda CB1000R with an allroad/adventure bike.

After a lot of reflections, several test rides and a visit to EICMA last weekend, I've boiled the possibilities down to two bikes: The Super Ténéré and the new 650 V-Strom.

A bit about me:
I've been riding for 20 years/+400.000km.
I ride bikes only as a hobby, and love to travel around Europe - preferably on secondary roads (including gravel- and forrest roads).
99% of the time I ride solo.

I've had the chance to test ride both bikes - here is my assessment of the two bikes compared with each other:
The S10: Plenty of power, coarser engine and transmission (more vibration), slightly more comfortable and I love the shaftdrive.
The Wee: Super smoothe engine and transmission, light and nimble, more comprehensive and user-friendly instrumentation.

One more thing to be taken into the equation: As there is a high tax on motorcycles in Denmark, the price is approximately 32.500Euro~$44.000 for the S10 and 14.500Euro~$19.550 for the Wee.

I am in two minds and could use some input
Which of the two bikes would you choose if you were in my situation - and why?
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Old 11-17-2011, 06:01 AM   #2
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Please don't take offense, but if I had to pay 32,500 Euro for a mass-produced motorcycle, I think I'd move somewhere else! That's ridiculous!
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Old 11-17-2011, 06:05 AM   #3
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Wow, you guys pay a premium for machinery over there! Come to the States, buy the bike of your choice, and ride for three months -- you'll still be able to ship your bike back to Denmark for the same price.

One of the big selling points of the Wee, in my opinion, is that it is frugal to feed. I get nearly 50mpg (21.26 km/lit) from my '06 Wee. It happily drinks 87 octane, which is quite a bit less expensive than 91+. I don't know if the Euro-spec Yamaha drinks 87, but it wants 91+ here. In remote areas of the US and Canada, anything over 87 is often unavailable. With European fuel costs, I assume that mileage is a big concern.

The chain really isn't that much of a hassle, although I'm a fan of shaft drive.

The Wee's a great solo touring bike, and works comfortably two-up. I often take my son on pillion. It has a marvelous transmission, and is a joy in corners. With a little seat work (the stock seat stinks, but I've heard the Yamaha's does also) it's all-day comfortable. It's plenty fast. With the price difference, you could treat yourself to one heck of an Euro-tour.
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Old 11-17-2011, 06:13 AM   #4
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With a little seat work (the stock seat stinks, but I've heard the Yamaha's does also) it's all-day comfortable.
If it´s the 2012 Wee we´re talking here, then the seat is fully new compared to 2011 and previous. At least for my behind it felt just way better than the old one. I even have a gel-seat from American Suzuki on my K9 Wee, which is better than the original was, but I still think the new model´s stock seat was even better.
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Old 11-17-2011, 06:37 AM   #5
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If I was in your situation, I'd go for the Yamaha for sure. I own a 2007 Wee and it's a great bike that's for sure, But the Yamaha, Driving shaft, reliability, abs. traction control, suspension, motor......You can't go wrong!! The S10 is my next bike. My two cents!!!
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Old 11-17-2011, 06:52 AM   #6
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...there is a high tax on motorcycles in Denmark, the price is approximately 32.500Euro~$44.000 for the S10 and 14.500Euro~$19.550 for the Wee...
I thought USA was the wealthiest country in the world. Many here cannot even afford a family car for that price. I wonder how much a BMW GSA would cost there...
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Old 11-17-2011, 07:05 AM   #7
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I recently read this, and it seems to have some good points. Our riding brothers down under:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...e-Short-Review
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Old 11-17-2011, 11:02 AM   #8
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Please don't take offense, but if I had to pay 32,500 Euro for a mass-produced motorcycle, I think I'd move somewhere else! That's ridiculous!
No offense taken, and I agree that the taxes on motorcycles (and cars) here in Denmark are ridiculous - BUT:

The wages is equivalent to the high price level in the country.
This gives me the added advantage that it is cheap for me to travel abroad - which enable me to travel several times a year on an average income.
Besides the financial aspect, the working conditions are highly advantageous in Denmark compared to most other countries - as a paramedic I work 24 hours shifts 8-10 times each month, and get approximately 3 month of paid vacation each year.

So even though motorcycles are expensive in Denmark, I choose to stay - for the time beeing anyway
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Old 11-17-2011, 11:13 AM   #9
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Please don't take offense, but if I had to pay 32,500 Euro for a mass-produced motorcycle, I think I'd move somewhere else! That's ridiculous!
USA ends up some of the lowest prices in the world for the same bike found elsewhere. agree that price is crazy. if japanese can sell their bikes in the US and make still a profit on the price it show how much markup & taxes are paid elsewhere.
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Old 11-17-2011, 11:21 AM   #10
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Currently have one of each and have ridden where you are. You're also in the land of too many f*ing speed cameras!



If thinking from a practical standpoint at all, I'd buy a new leftover 2011 'Strom and spend the savings on a nice trip to . . . . a LOT of places!

Since the prices don't seem to phase you, the question is how much need you have for the bigger heavier bike. Do you ride the autobahn 2-up with heavy bags for long trips to Italy? Regularly ride 200 kph with a bunch of CB1000R owners? Like to thunder uphill in the Alps? Obvious answer. If you ride alone more, use it to commute and run errands locally, and love to poke around little Pyrenee villages, again, obvious answer.

But it really comes down to which makes you turn your head to look at as you walk away.
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Old 11-17-2011, 11:30 AM   #11
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Wow, you guys pay a premium for machinery over there! Come to the States, buy the bike of your choice, and ride for three months -- you'll still be able to ship your bike back to Denmark for the same price.

The tax is on the licenseplate, so even if I did as you suggests, I would have to pay the tax, If I want to use the bike on the street in Denmark.

One of the big selling points of the Wee, in my opinion, is that it is frugal to feed. I get nearly 50mpg (21.26 km/lit) from my '06 Wee. It happily drinks 87 octane, which is quite a bit less expensive than 91+. I don't know if the Euro-spec Yamaha drinks 87, but it wants 91+ here. In remote areas of the US and Canada, anything over 87 is often unavailable. With European fuel costs, I assume that mileage is a big concern.

Here Fuel requirements are the same for the S10 and the Wee.

The chain really isn't that much of a hassle, although I'm a fan of shaft drive.

I second that - I use a Scottoiler on my street bikes which makes a chain even less of a hassle.

The Wee's a great solo touring bike, and works comfortably two-up. I often take my son on pillion. It has a marvelous transmission, and is a joy in corners. With a little seat work (the stock seat stinks, but I've heard the Yamaha's does also) it's all-day comfortable. It's plenty fast. With the price difference, you could treat yourself to one heck of an Euro-tour.

The seat on the new Wee are much better than the old one.
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Old 11-17-2011, 11:50 AM   #12
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If I was in your situation, I'd go for the Yamaha for sure. I own a 2007 Wee and it's a great bike that's for sure, But the Yamaha, Driving shaft, reliability, abs. traction control, suspension, motor......You can't go wrong!! The S10 is my next bike. My two cents!!!
I appreciate the shaft and the excellent traction control on the Yamaha, but the new Wee allso have ABS (a newer and lighter version than the S10). Besides that the new Wee have noticeably improved suspension and engine compared to the old version. I don't think that reliability is an issue with either of the two bikes.
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I thought USA was the wealthiest country in the world. Many here cannot even afford a family car for that price. I wonder how much a BMW GSA would cost there...
A basic GSA with ASC and ESA is +$55.000
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I recently read this, and it seems to have some good points. Our riding brothers down under:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...e-Short-Review
I've had the chance to ride the S10 for a whole day both on and off the road. It's heavy but well balanced, and besides too much buffeting around the helmet at high speeds, I had a great time on the bike.
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