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Old 11-29-2012, 11:11 AM   #16
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What was the reason for choosing different models for the jacket and pants?

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So much gear, so many threads; here's mine.

I ended up ordering the Force Pro jacket and Ace Pro trousers. They break my 'no black in NM' rule, but I decided I could live with that.

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Old 11-29-2012, 01:01 PM   #17
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Do you have cats? Other wise the combo looks good!
A dog. Apparently, the black cordura both attracts his fur and shows it. Oh well.
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Old 11-29-2012, 01:19 PM   #18
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What was the reason for choosing different models for the jacket and pants?
There isn't a 'Force Pro' in the trousers; they have the Ace Pro, Flex Pro, and Race Pro. The Ace Pro are the 'matching' set for the Force Pro, with the same fabrics. (Goretex ProShell, Cordura, and Superfabric). It's what the Stadler customer service recommended as a pairing -- the Flex Pros are armacor and cordura, and are a match for the Airgate Pro, the Race Pros leather and cordura and go with the Track Pro jacket.

They also have the lockout vent in the calf, which should extend their wear and make them more comfortable in hotter weather on trips, I hope.
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Old 11-29-2012, 01:48 PM   #19
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Thanks for the explanation.

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There isn't a 'Force Pro' in the trousers; they have the Ace Pro, Flex Pro, and Race Pro. The Ace Pro are the 'matching' set for the Force Pro, with the same fabrics. (Goretex ProShell, Cordura, and Superfabric). It's what the Stadler customer service recommended as a pairing -- the Flex Pros are armacor and cordura, and are a match for the Airgate Pro, the Race Pros leather and cordura and go with the Track Pro jacket.

They also have the lockout vent in the calf, which should extend their wear and make them more comfortable in hotter weather on trips, I hope.
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:20 PM   #20
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Also note the dog hair. Apparently this will show. :)
Nice write up and it all sounds and looks very nice. Oh, dog hair in our house...not just a condiment...
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:07 PM   #21
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With it supposed to close in, snow, and be generally unpleasant today I thought I'd take my chance yesterday and get a little bit of riding in. Had to see if the fixed radiator on the Mutley was good, right? It was warm, but you know -- new gear smells better than used, so I grabbed the Stadler and off I went.

I can report that the gear is /good/ in the cold. While it was warm down here at 5600', I decided to see what the crest was like. (Gravelly in the corners, but the road was nice). At 10500', it was down to below freezing, according to the bike's air temp thermometer) and I'd thrown the jacket on over a light cotton waffle knit shirt. The crest road doesn't invite high speeds, at least not from me, so it was all below 70mph but I was fine and cozy and warm. Bloody impressed.

It's so nice to ride in stuff that fits well. It doesn't flap, or buffet, and the armour sits where it's supposed to. The trousers don't ride up and over the top of my boots.The sleeves are the right length.
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Old 12-09-2012, 02:18 PM   #22
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Thanks for the update. Good to know it performs well in the cold. So you were only wearing one layer under the suit, and were able to ride in sub freezing temps? That sounds almost too good to be true. Or maybe you just have a high tolerance for cold weather?
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Old 12-09-2012, 07:05 PM   #23
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Well... I wasn't below freezing very long; I suspect that extended times I'd want another layer, or my Exo2 vest. I'm usually moderately but not exceptionally cold tolerant.

For the short hop though, it did me well; in my Kili I'd have cold; with this set up I was comfy.
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Old 01-25-2013, 07:47 AM   #24
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Nice write up - and very interesting for me.

I'm also on a quest for a new set of waterproof, vented, protective gear.

After reading a lot of reviews I've boiled the options down to a few sets - one of them is the Stadler Force Pro/Ace Pro.
My biggest concern with the set is if it's vented enough for warm weather riding (+90F)..?
The jacket seems to be ok (though vents on the sleeves would be nice), but I'm not sure that vents on the calfs are enough - it would be nice with additional vents on the thighs.

The Stadler Pro is the only set with laminated Gore-tex Pro liner that have caught my eye.
The other sets on my list is Held Carese/Torno, IXS Nimrod/Haran and Rev'it Defender.

Here's a test from the biggest European motorcycle magazin where the Stadler performs really well:
- if you don't understand german Googletranslate is your friend.

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Old 01-25-2013, 09:14 AM   #25
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Question United States Distributors?

Where can you buy the Stadler gear in the US? I've seen some on e-bay, but not much else.
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Old 01-25-2013, 05:59 PM   #26
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So ....

Afaik, you cannot buy it in the states. Order from Germany, or Europe at least. I was custom sized, so that meant direct from Stadler.

As to warm; I can't tell. I'm more concerned about it being black than the lack of vents, in truth. So far, in cooler temps, I've been bloody impressed and have had no need to go to electrics down to the mid 30s.

I suspect it'll be hot in summer. I'll run LDcomfort stuff under it, do the evap cooling thing, and stick with the perf leather race jacket in town.

I was tempted to the Race Pro, for the TFL. Stadler talked me out of the pricier jacket, and into the Force Pro. I'm happy with the choice; my bank manager is less so.
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Old 01-25-2013, 06:03 PM   #27
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The Stadler Pro is the only set with laminated Gore-tex Pro liner that have caught my eye.
The other sets on my list is Held Carese/Torno, IXS Nimrod/Haran and Rev'it Defender.

[URL="http://www.motorradonline.de/kombis/vergleichstest-textilkombis-2012-stadler-force-pro-ace-pro/421419?seite=10"
Here's[/URL] a test from the biggest European motorcycle magazin where the Stadler performs really well:
- if you don't understand german Googletranslate is your friend.

If it matters, Stadler does both talls and even full custom. I couldn't find another pro shell suit in a tall, let alone custom. I looked at the rev'it, and the Held stuff. The held appears to have sod all in the way of venting (and no tall), and I didn't want another pockety 3/4 jacket.

Mutant boy likes having gear that fits.
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Old 02-01-2013, 07:07 PM   #28
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I pulled the trigger on the Stadler Force direct from Stadler in Germany as well and it should be here any day now.
They were really good to deal with and very specific when it came to sizing. For me, it was really the choice between the Rukka Armas and this jacket but, from all the digging of info I did, I decided the Stadler would be better in warm weather. If it gets hot I will use my Rallye 3 jacket.
I will find out soon how it does in cold Ontario weather.
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Old 02-04-2013, 12:05 PM   #29
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I pulled the trigger on the Stadler Force direct from Stadler in Germany as well and it should be here any day now.
They were really good to deal with and very specific when it came to sizing. For me, it was really the choice between the Rukka Armas and this jacket but, from all the digging of info I did, I decided the Stadler would be better in warm weather. If it gets hot I will use my Rallye 3 jacket.
I will find out soon how it does in cold Ontario weather.
Cool! That's what I had to do -- direct from Germany. The shipping took... quite a while, thanks to DHL.de. I assume you fit into a stock size?

That's the HUGE value to these guys. Getting stuff that fits, for those of us a little outside of the norm.

Really looking forward to your impressions of the kit as well. I'm still super impressed with mine, after a few more riding days and getting it out on the Mutley, the WR250, the girl's SV650 and the new Katoom. Everything stays warm except for a small patch around my belly, and I haven't gone to my heated gear even once this season. It's been more than usually warm, however, but a fair amount of riding in the low-40s and I've been happy.
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:40 PM   #30
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Got the Track/Race Pro which is more or less identical but with leather instead of superfabric. The Force Pro wasn't available when I bought it but just feel safe with leather even though know superfabric is tough stuff.

Anyway, mostly happy and crash tested...twice. first time it was a 100kph highsider (damn cars dragging gravel into road and damn low sun so didn't see it). The SAS Tec is amazing stuff, did end in intensive care with internal bleeding and big concussion (helmet cracked) but no broken bones and not even any bruises. That back protector is not good its superiour. Those claiming a separate back protector is always better than integrated have not seen this stuff!

Fit is great and vents works great too. Ordered the optional SAS tec protectors (back protector is SAS Tec as standard) but they're a bit small and don't fit that well as made for the Knox protectors. Ordered bigger SAS tec protectors and squeezed in but maybe just as well keep the Knox as good stuff too?

I don't think it's that warm at low temps though, my Dainese leather suit is warmer (then again, leather is under rated for cold weather riding). Not neccessarily a bad thing depending on where you live. But started leaking in heavy rain after 20 minutes. Think water came up between trousers and jacket in the front. Ride a KTM690SMC so not much weather protection but still was disappointed. Suit is at Stadler now for some small repairs after latest low sider so will have them check if goretex is OK but think not membrane is the problem.
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