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Old 11-29-2012, 07:59 AM   #46
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Not true the riders who were run off the road by a pickup truck in Kentucky were not charged and the driver is sitting in jail.



...and hopefully that dick is put into a cell block chock full of 1%ers.

Edit: What the pickup driver did, combined with him exiting his pickup with a tire iron (?) in hand meets the standard for use of deadly force in AZ.

If they hadn't got this on video nobody would have been charged though. Love them gopros.
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Old 11-29-2012, 08:16 AM   #47
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Not only that, but if someone on a bike points a weapon at me while I'm driving I'm jerking the wheel into them as hard as I can.
Yeeeeeeeeep.

And I won't be rendering any first aid afterwards because I don't know if that person is still a threat. I'm calling 911 and keeping my distance.

Here's my strategy for carrying on a bike, which I do daily:

Evade--this doesn't necessarily mean making the jump to hyperspace either. It could be slowing down, pulling over, turning around, and/or/also heading to the nearest cop shop.

If I am unable to successfully evade, find a place to pull over where I can get off the bike and seek cover. If the person still wants to press the fight at this point then I will use every tool at my disposal to stop the threat to my life.

So far I've only had one DGU and my sidearm never cleared the holster. Hopefully that's the only one I'll ever have.
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Old 11-29-2012, 08:45 AM   #48
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Old 11-29-2012, 08:49 AM   #49
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On my way home from work today I attempted to pass a phone company truck on a rural road (double line). He made it clear that he wasn't going to allow that, by very nearly killing me. I had a straight section of road with ample space to do a safe pass, as I got even with his rear wheel he suddenly came over to the left to block me. I could clearly see his face in his mirror so there was no question that he knew I was there and that this was intentional. I have seen people drift over the line by mistake but this was a sudden and calculated move, not a mistake. I was able to brake fast enough to avoid an accident but the idea that this asshole decided that he wasn't going to be passed so it was ok to wreck me really pissed me off. We had about 5 miles of twisty rural road left to go before the next intersection so I just followed. He ran as fast as he could to be sure I wasn't going to get by him, however I wasn't about to try - was really just hoping to get to see him wreck (he didn't). He didn't stop at the intersection and I wasn't going to spend the rest of the afternoon chasing him down. When I got home I called the phone company and gave them the story as well as the tag number of the truck - they said his supervisor would be in touch. I don't know how far I want to take this or what the phone company does in this case, but this guy needs some sort of punishment - suppose it had been my wife, she may not have been able to brake quick enough.
I could take it to the police, but I would have to admit that I was attempting a double line pass - however even the police would agree a DL pass is no excuse to wreck somone.
What should I expect the phone co. to do? Anyone been in this situation?
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So you're passing on a double yellow, following too close, and he is in the wrong? You sound like a small child.
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Old 11-29-2012, 08:58 AM   #50
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FWIW, it is legal to pass on a double yellow here in Vermont. If you screw up in the process though, it's your fault.
That being said, I tend to avoid the practice as we have many out of state sightseeing drivers who are not aware of this...........have pissed off a couple (they gave me the stink eye at a gas stop)
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:05 AM   #51
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FWIW, it is legal to pass on a double yellow here in Vermont. If you screw up in the process though, it's your fault.
That being said, I tend to avoid the practice as we have many out of state sightseeing drivers who are not aware of this...........have pissed off a couple (they gave me the stink eye at a gas stop)
+1 and I've not ever had a driver in VT block my pass. I've had a number of meetings with vehicles, mostly pick-ups in WV and VA, that will swerve to block my pass. Sometimes I can rocket by but mostly I worry about losing the battle with a 2 ton vehicle. Life's too short. Let the asshat go and take a break. Do not escalate the road rage situation because you're at a disadvantage from the get go.
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So you're passing on a double yellow, following too close, and he is in the wrong? You sound like a small child.
following too close and trying to pass on the double yellow is no excuse for trying to run someone off the road.
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So you're passing on a double yellow, following too close, and he is in the wrong? You sound like a small child.
What made you think I was following too close? Maybe you never exceed the speed limit or pass on a DY but most of us do on occasion. I live in a very rural area, motorcycles passing on DY is pretty common and when done with some forethought on a modern motorcycle it's quite safe, those no passing zones were designed for standard performance cars and trucks, many places have more than enough sight line for a safe pass on a bike. Tell me why I sound like a small child when I did nothing what-so-ever to endanger the truck driver but he thought it OK to try to run me off the road - your logic astounds me.
I've been riding for over 40 years, I didn't live this long by making stupid or unsafe manuvers on a bike. When I do make a DY pass (actually almost any pass) I don't strafe the passed vehicle and the pass is always done in a safe manner usually with a wave. Get off the illegality of the DY pass - it has NOTHING to do with the problem here - it endangered NO ONE

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Problem is many drivers don't think in terms of life/death when they brake check, block or otherwise fuck around. In the instances where smoke and dust and broken limbs follow they, like the remorsedul drunk driver, will stand there in shock thinking "I never intended to cause this accident".

It can be fucking infuriating to be fucked off by a cage especially when they do it on purpose, but it is best to let them have their "win" Let your blood pressure settle and ride on. If you can't do this then employ max speed and aggression to violently steal their oxygen and end their miserable fucking life - then resign yourself to being ass raped for the next few years secure in the knowledge that you are some how the winner.
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Old 11-29-2012, 11:00 AM   #55
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following too close and trying to pass on the double yellow is no excuse for trying to run someone off the road.
Blocking a pass is hardly trying to run someone off the road, if he was abreast the driver and the driver swerved that is a different issue entirely, but I didn't gather that from the OP.

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What made you think I was following too close? Maybe you never exceed the speed limit or pass on a DY but most of us do on occasion. I live in a very rural area, motorcycles passing on DY is pretty common and when done with some forethought on a modern motorcycle it's quite safe, those no passing zones were designed for standard performance cars and trucks, many places have more than enough sight line for a safe pass on a bike. Tell me why I sound like a small child when I did nothing what-so-ever to endanger the truck driver but he thought it OK to try to run me off the road - your logic astounds me.
I've been riding for over 40 years, I didn't live this long by making stupid or unsafe manuvers on a bike. When I do make a DY pass (actually almost any pass) I don't strafe the passed vehicle and the pass is always done in a safe manner usually with a wave. Get off the illegality of the DY pass - it has NOTHING to do with the problem here - it endangered NO ONE

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Because you said you might not be able to brake in time, and you could see the driver's face in the mirror. Personally I often ride like a total asshole and have a complete disregard for the rules of the road, I just don't get my panties in a wad and bitch to the internet when someone dishes out what I'm putting down. I don't take issue with your actions, only your attitude towards someone acting the exact same way you did. You don't know the driver or their state of mind, and whether you were causing a risk towards others from their point of view, your lack of perception on this matter is indicative of the mind of a child. I would have laughed it off and either made the pass regardless or pulled over and let the dude get some space so i could ride my own ride. I would have then later forgotten about the whole thing.

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Problem is many drivers don't think in terms of life/death when they brake check, block or otherwise fuck around. In the instances where smoke and dust and broken limbs follow they, like the remorsedul drunk driver, will stand there in shock thinking "I never intended to cause this accident".

It can be fucking infuriating to be fucked off by a cage especially when they do it on purpose, but it is best to let them have their "win" Let your blood pressure settle and ride on. If you can't do this then employ max speed and aggression to violently steal their oxygen and end their miserable fucking life - then resign yourself to being ass raped for the next few years secure in the knowledge that you are some how the winner.
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FWIW, it is legal to pass on a double yellow here in Vermont. If you screw up in the process though, it's your fault.
That being said, I tend to avoid the practice as we have many out of state sightseeing drivers who are not aware of this...........have pissed off a couple (they gave me the stink eye at a gas stop)
I too am guilty of this ignorance.
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Blocking a pass is hardly trying to run someone off the road, if he was abreast the driver and the driver swerved that is a different issue entirely, but I didn't gather that from the OP.



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OK, I will give you that - blocking a pass is not the same as trying to run someone off the road - but why block the pass? When did it become the truck driver's responsibility to enforce the rules of the road? I pass on the DY quite often, and do it safely. I have had bikes do it to me when I was in a cage. Just because the bike crosses the DY doesn't make it OK for the other vehicle to do the same. The truck driver should have just driven his own vehicle within the rules and not worry about what anyone else was doing. If he had hit the bike, he would have been at fault.
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This was not a block. I was beside the truck when he moved over, I was even with his rear wheel. This was clearly an attempt to run me off the road. As soon as I realized he was coming at me I applied the brakes HARD which kept me from being hit by the truck.
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What made you think I was following too close? Maybe you never exceed the speed limit or pass on a DY but most of us do on occasion. I live in a very rural area, motorcycles passing on DY is pretty common and when done with some forethought on a modern motorcycle it's quite safe, those no passing zones were designed for standard performance cars and trucks, many places have more than enough sight line for a safe pass on a bike. Tell me why I sound like a small child when I did nothing what-so-ever to endanger the truck driver but he thought it OK to try to run me off the road - your logic astounds me.
I've been riding for over 40 years, I didn't live this long by making stupid or unsafe manuvers on a bike. When I do make a DY pass (actually almost any pass) I don't strafe the passed vehicle and the pass is always done in a safe manner usually with a wave. Get off the illegality of the DY pass - it has NOTHING to do with the problem here - it endangered NO ONE

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Around here, the highway department has to be assuming that everyone still drives Model A Fords, judging from the length of the no passing zones. I'm also an old timer, and I regularly ignore the yellow line as long as I can make a pass safely. My exposure time with the Duc is approximately 3 seconds, starting at the speed of the vehicle being passed.

As far as the comments go, my opinion is that some folks talk a better game than they actually play, and I generally ignore it. It's easy to be brave if you have anonymity.
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When did it become the truck driver's responsibility to enforce the rules of the road? .
Simple as that. Lots of people try to do that exact thing.

The fellow drives for a living and probably hates hooligans. Actually I hate them too. Not that I would do anything about it, but I sure wish there was a cruiser around often enough.

The OP complains the driver tried to run him off the road. Then he goes on to say he passes people illegally, but in a non-threatening and safe manner. What a load of

It read to me that the truck driver blocked the hooligan pass, but did it in a safe way too.


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OK, I will give you that - blocking a pass is not the same as trying to run someone off the road - but why block the pass? When did it become the truck driver's responsibility to enforce the rules of the road? I pass on the DY quite often, and do it safely. I have had bikes do it to me when I was in a cage. Just because the bike crosses the DY doesn't make it OK for the other vehicle to do the same. The truck driver should have just driven his own vehicle within the rules and not worry about what anyone else was doing. If he had hit the bike, he would have been at fault.
Probably because the driver is a douche, but that doesn't mean anyone else has to be.

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This was not a block. I was beside the truck when he moved over, I was even with his rear wheel. This was clearly an attempt to run me off the road. As soon as I realized he was coming at me I applied the brakes HARD which kept me from being hit by the truck.
Well that changes everything then, I didn't get that from the OP, I'm glad you're evasive maneuver was successful and you lived to ride another day.

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Simple as that. Lots of people try to do that exact thing.

The fellow drives for a living and probably hates hooligans. Actually I hate them too. Not that I would do anything about it, but I sure wish there was a cruiser around often enough.

The OP complains the driver tried to run him off the road. Then he goes on to say he passes people illegally, but in a non-threatening and safe manner. What a load of

It read to me that the truck driver blocked the hooligan pass, but did it in a safe way too.


That is also how I originally read it, but it seems as if that wasn't the case and the truck driver had a sociopathic moment in the very least.
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