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Old 12-02-2012, 07:22 AM   #16
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Looks are subjective.. sorely tempted by the Tenere. I really like the looks, it looks better in person than in pics and best of all, it's about the only ADV bike without a beak from the new crop of ADV bikes. As a former GS rider, this bike ticks of a lot of boxes for me and the lack of a beak is a pleasant plus for me.
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Old 12-02-2012, 07:30 AM   #17
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Moto Guzzi. Your missing out.
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That's five word's.

Typical Guzzi rider...
.......and it's you're
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Old 12-02-2012, 07:40 AM   #18
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I am quite surprised to hear that. My ST will smoke my brother's GS, and I even tied my buddy on his FJR which DID surprise me, but he is a much bigger guy and I am more experienced so both factors probably allowed me to tie the FJ which should normally smoke a ST.

I would not say in general that a GS is faster than the ST, quite the opposite in my experience.
I agree. I was really surprised. Just my seat off the pants the GS pulled harder and
the passing roll on was quite strong. I don't follw the history of motor mods on Beemers
so I'm just going by what the owner said and that was that the 2010s on have the last
major motor upgrades.

I've said before it's not a class of bikes that HP shouldbe a huge factor, but I sure got
a butt whooping. For him it was paybacks. My little SV 650 out ran his GS 1150.

The FJR one is hard to buy as well. Having owned two of them I can't see the Tenere
in the picture once the FJR hits about 6,000 rpm.
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Old 12-02-2012, 08:16 AM   #19
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I agree. I was really surprised. Just my seat off the pants the GS pulled harder and
the passing roll on was quite strong. I don't follw the history of motor mods on Beemers
so I'm just going by what the owner said and that was that the 2010s on have the last
major motor upgrades.

I've said before it's not a class of bikes that HP shouldbe a huge factor, but I sure got
a butt whooping. For him it was paybacks. My little SV 650 out ran his GS 1150.

The FJR one is hard to buy as well. Having owned two of them I can't see the Tenere
in the picture once the FJR hits about 6,000 rpm.
I agree in a highway roll in top gear the GS might pull a bit harder due to the torque. In a highway drag (which is quite different than a roll) if the ST rider downshifts twice, maybe 3 times, and takes each gear to redline the GS will be in the mirror in my opinion.

I could not believe that I tied my friend on his FJ (it is not a new one but it does have 2 Bros exhaust on it). It was from a dig and I think my experience allowed me to get off the line quite a bit harder and then he couldn't catch up (think we took it up to about 100). There was a considerable rider weight difference as well.

It's all good.
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Old 12-02-2012, 12:09 PM   #20
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Explorer in the Mix?

With 5000 miles on my Triumph Tiger Explorer 1200, I am loving it. Looked at the Tenere and the GS before I bought. Never thought I would own anything other than the remarkably dependable Japanese bikes, but this one is truly special. We have a 2011 DL-650 too, and it is a nice combination to have the Explorer and V-Strom in the garage. Good news is that you can't really go wrong with any of these bikes. They are all pretty amazing.
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Old 12-02-2012, 12:10 PM   #21
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I agree in a highway roll in top gear the GS might pull a bit harder due to the torque. In a highway drag (which is quite different than a roll) if the ST rider downshifts twice, maybe 3 times, and takes each gear to redline the GS will be in the mirror in my opinion.
It's not really a matter of opinion. The fact is that the current GS beats the Tenere in performance department by every objective measure.

Apples to apples....

1/4 Mile: GS 11.4s / 117mph, Tenere 11.7s / 110mph
RWHP: GS 98.4, Tenere 92.2
60 to 80 roll-on: GS 3.7s, Tenere 4.4s

Tenere beating an FJR.... Don't kid your self.

Disclosure. I currently own a much older GS that would be beat even by the Tenere and I am seriously considering the Tenere as my next bike.
But let's be real about the facts.

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Old 12-02-2012, 05:26 PM   #22
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It's not really a matter of opinion. The fact is that the current GS beats the Tenere in performance department by every objective measure.

Apples to apples....

1/4 Mile: GS 11.4s / 117mph, Tenere 11.7s / 110mph
RWHP: GS 98.4, Tenere 92.2
60 to 80 roll-on: GS 3.7s, Tenere 4.4s

Tenere beating an FJR.... Don't kid your self.

Disclosure. I currently own a much older GS that would be beat even by the Tenere and I am seriously considering the Tenere as my next bike.
But let's be real about the facts.

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Magazine tests (and some say of BMWs that have been tweaked).

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Old 12-02-2012, 05:29 PM   #23
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I don't post about what I read. I post about what I did.
Until you prove that you have the proficiency and the equipment to make these measurements meaningful, I call BS.
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Old 12-02-2012, 05:55 PM   #24
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In reference to the posted comparison numbers above, here are some more, showing identical dyno numbers for the ST and GS (granted it is a 2011 GS).

http://www.ridermagazine.com/road-te...-road-test.htm

As all my posts in this thread stated (and as everyone here knows) rider experience makes all the difference. As I said, I was quite surprised I beat my bud's FJ from a dig, but I am not surprised that between the GS and the ST it can eaily come down to rider experience.
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Old 12-02-2012, 06:34 PM   #25
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I thought you said something like "I don't post what I read... "
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LOL - exactly my thoughts.
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Old 12-02-2012, 06:55 PM   #27
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Ultimately though, who gives a shit...?

It's an "adventure bike" not a quarter mile blaster or canyon carving/knee scraping machine.

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Old 12-02-2012, 07:16 PM   #28
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Ultimately though, who gives a shit...?

It's an "adventure bike" not a quarter mile blaster or canyon carving/knee scraping machine.

Greg.
I'd agree. Just as you don't see Jeep owners getting all wrapped up in quarter mile times.
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Old 12-02-2012, 07:25 PM   #29
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Ultimately though, who gives a shit...?

It's an "adventure bike" not a quarter mile blaster or canyon carving/knee scraping machine.

Greg.
I didn't mean to start such a shitstorm.

I just genually was surprised at the difference compared to past Beemers I had ridden.

I'm surprised no one has drug a Multi Strada in and ended the discussion.
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Old 12-02-2012, 07:34 PM   #30
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Despite the helpful suggestions from my two English Lit Professor brothers the point stands....which on theses blogs should always be the point of discussion...you should really try a Guzzi. I did, after I did what you are doing, and realized you really can have both worlds.

(Written at 5th grade level so all can understand.)
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