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Old 12-04-2012, 03:00 PM   #1
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I have no clue what they are saying, but it sounds something like "You need a go-fast rig....you need a go-fast rig.....you need a go-fast rig."

Yeah, exactly like that...

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Old 12-04-2012, 08:04 PM   #2
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I have no clue what they are saying, but it sounds something like "You need a go-fast rig....you need a go-fast rig.....you need a go-fast rig."

Yeah, exactly like that...

What you are seeing is Rallye racing in France it is done with street legal motorcycles sidecars and has played a major roll in the development of High Performance Sidecars. In the Scratch Class the sidecars go up against all the solo bikes for the best time.
I guess this video blows the theory that wide, low profile car tires don't do well in the rain !

Here's another video of 2 HPS (the ones with lights, mirrors and license plates) on the track with racing sidecars.
Check out the action at 6:45 where they chase down and pass a racing rig.
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Old 12-05-2012, 11:37 AM   #3
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Old 12-05-2012, 05:11 PM   #4
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What you are seeing is Rallye racing in France it is done with street legal motorcycles sidecars and has played a major roll in the development of High Performance Sidecars. In the Scratch Class the sidecars go up against all the solo bikes for the best time.
I guess this video blows the theory that wide, low profile car tires don't do well in the rain !

Here's another video of 2 HPS (the ones with lights, mirrors and license plates) on the track with racing sidecars.
Check out the action at 6:45 where they chase down and pass a racing rig.
that looks like a vintage Iverson rig - not a lot of comparison HP wise
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Old 12-05-2012, 09:31 PM   #5
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that looks like a vintage Iverson rig - not a lot of comparison HP wise

HPS stands for high performance sidecar, not horse power. When a 16 year old licensed street motorcycle with sidecar can pass all those racing sidecars, even in corners, now that is performance!




The HPS with the camera is a 2001 ZX12R KAWASAKI CHODA I believe it is the same one that took on Pikes Peak in 2008 (that was before they paved the top section) and turned in the fastest time in the sidecar class 13:19.194 for that year.
I think they have the 3rd fastest time to date and 1st fastest time for a licensed street sidecar rig. Now that's Performance!


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Old 12-06-2012, 04:02 AM   #6
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The HPS with the camera is a 2001 ZX12R KAWASAKI CHODA I believe it is the same one that took on Pikes Peak in 2008 (that was before they paved the top section) and turned in the fastest time in the sidecar class 13:19.194 for that year.
I think they have the 3rd fastest time to date and 1st fastest time for a licensed street sidecar rig. Now that's Performance!

Make the motors equal and see who wins. The F1 long bikes are limited to 1000cc and the F2 short bikes 600cc. My point was it isn't an apple-to-apple comparison of "Performance"

Put that ZX12R in true road racing rig and they'll be waiting at the top for the HPS rig to show up.

In fairness, I would LOVE to have an HPS rig to compliment my '85 Wasp/CR500 MX sidecar and my P3 Vintage GS750 road racing sidecar. That would be a sweet addition.
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:09 AM   #7
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Love these things, how do I get one over here ...?

Closest I have seen is this Blackbird rig, which the owner graciously let me take for a spin. Absolutely FANTASTIC!

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Old 12-06-2012, 01:51 PM   #8
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Look here: http://hpsidecars.com/forum/index.php

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Love these things, how do I get one over here ...?

Closest I have seen is this Blackbird rig, which the owner graciously let me take for a spin. Absolutely FANTASTIC!

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Old 12-06-2012, 07:28 PM   #9
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Make the motors equal and see who wins. The F1 long bikes are limited to 1000cc and the F2 short bikes 600cc. My point was it isn't an apple-to-apple comparison of "Performance"

Put that ZX12R in true road racing rig and they'll be waiting at the top for the HPS rig to show up.

In fairness, I would LOVE to have an HPS rig to compliment my '85 Wasp/CR500 MX sidecar and my P3 Vintage GS750 road racing sidecar. That would be a sweet addition.
I was not trying to compare apples to apples either, like the opening post " RidingDonkeys" said, these rigs are awesome, and by posting the video, I was just trying show how well they handle. Most of the members of this board have never ridden one and have nothing to compare it to. I have owned and ridden High Performance Sidecars for 23 years now. I know they are not for everyone, but I am going on 70 and would never go back to a standard rig. I don't understand why they have never caught on in North America or, for that matter any English speaking country, but they are popular in France, Belgium, Germany, Holland and Switzerland.

If you were to put the ZX12R into a F1 road racing rig, install lights, mirrors and get it licensed for road use, then you would have the ultimate HPS!

What are you waiting For?
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:41 PM   #10
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Love these things, how do I get one over here ...?
Look here: http://www.hannigantrikes.com/content/hpsidecars.html For one these.




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Old 12-07-2012, 03:52 AM   #11
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Showed those to the wife, her response:
"Nope, I'd drop my Kindle!"

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Old 12-07-2012, 04:04 AM   #12
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If you were to put the ZX12R into a F1 road racing rig, install lights, mirrors and get it licensed for road use, then you would have the ultimate HPS!

What are you waiting For?
There is a guy in CA who did that - title his F2 that is. Can't do it in MD tho - prics here don't allow titling a bike that didn't start with a titled frame.

I think they haven't caught on here because of the cost.
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Old 12-07-2012, 07:05 PM   #13
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Showed those to the wife, her response:
"Nope, I'd drop my Kindle!"
Maybe these would be more to her liking?.


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Old 12-07-2012, 10:46 PM   #14
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There is a guy in CA who did that
http://advrider.com/forums/showthrea...70#post8992470

go to post #1271 to see Bad Cats old street rig.
I want one

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Old 12-08-2012, 09:37 AM   #15
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I have a picture, that shows the two directions off european performance
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