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Old 12-08-2012, 08:50 AM   #1
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WA state mulls pay by mile tax

Just love the part where they spend millions to "mull" taxing us more.

" The state Legislature will be asked to spend several million dollars on another study to find a recommended method."

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/S...182617171.html

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Old 12-08-2012, 09:01 AM   #2
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I hope we can shoot this down....
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Old 12-08-2012, 09:04 AM   #3
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I hope we can shoot this down....
You can start by telling your Washington State Senator and both your Washington State House of Representatives members what you think.

You can find them at here.

www.leg.wa.gov
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Old 12-08-2012, 09:41 AM   #4
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Maybe motorcycles will be exempt.
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Old 12-08-2012, 12:20 PM   #5
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Maybe motorcycles will be exempt.
No way that'll happen, it's far more likely they'll just charge us a flat fee to any existing bikes (that can't/don't have a metering device installed), or mandate some other means to "encourage" us to give up, and go electric.

Orygun's been flirting with this scheme too.

Fuqueing government... while it's true that rising fuel efficiencies are reducing both states' $ intake via fuel taxes, instead of cutting spending, they're just scrambling to create new additional revenue streams.
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Old 12-08-2012, 12:34 PM   #6
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pay by mile

It makes sense for users to pay for the roads we drive. In that sense gas taxes are pretty fair. They reflect a combo of miles and weight of the vehicles. Since heavier vehicles damage roads more they should pay more. It seems the easiest thing to do is just raise the gas tax a few cents to compensate for the fact that cars are using less for the same number of miles.

That would also encourage people to buy more fuel efficient vehicles which would reduce pollution, dependence on foreign oil and be a lot simpler than some high tech invasive monitoring system. Simpler is better.

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Old 12-08-2012, 01:47 PM   #7
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It makes sense for users to pay for the roads we drive. In that sense gas taxes are pretty fair. They reflect a combo of miles and weight of the vehicles. Since heavier vehicles damage roads more they should pay more. It seems the easiest thing to do is just raise the gas tax a few cents to compensate for the fact that cars are using less for the same number of miles.

That would also encourage people to buy more fuel efficient vehicles which would reduce pollution, dependence on foreign oil and be a lot simpler than some high tech invasive monitoring system. Simpler is better.

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Did you bother to read the linked article?
There are more fuel efficient cars operating in Washington than ever before.
More people are using public transit.
More people are operating hybrid vehicles.
More people are operating alternative fuel powered vehicles.

This means that there is less fuel being consumed in Washington State, ergo, less money in gas taxes are being collected.

You want people to operate more fuel efficient vehicles and raise gas taxes?
That's less money collected in gas taxes with the users of traditional fueled vehicle paying more.
Your solution does nothing to address the loss of tax "income" which, by the way, will decrease when the new federal gas mileage standards come into play.

We are tied with North Carolina in paying the highest state gas tax in the country (as of July 2012).
You want us to pay more?

Half of Washington State gas taxes are used to fund state "highways" to include the state ferry system.

The other goes to cities, counties and other agencies for roadway programs that are not part of the state highway system.

Gas taxes need to stop funding everything except motor vehicle infrastructure. No rail, no public transportation, no bike/walking paths.

Public transportation fees (as paid by the user for a ticket) need to be taxed at the same rate as the gas tax.
Everyone pays.

The fees for using the state ferry system need to reflect actual costs.
If it comes out that a ferry ride across the sound costs $45 a vehicle then so be it.

Alternative fueled vehicles (electric, natural gas, bio-diesel for example) need to pay some sort of a fair use tax that equates to the going gas tax rate.

Raising gas taxes is not the answer and neither is some sort of mileage monitoring system.

Here are some "fair" ways to collect the needed money to pay for roads (feel free to add your own):

1. Add a "use tax" to the cost of each vehicle at the time of sale in Washington State to include new, used and private party.

2. Raise vehicle registration fees on all vehicles the same across the board.

3. Reduce the spending on roads to reflect the income "earned" by the current gas tax. Set your budget based on how much money you have in your pocket.

4. Income tax.
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Old 12-08-2012, 02:13 PM   #8
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The government (on any level) can not spend smartly or efficiently.
Therein lies the problem.
Tax tax tax tax tax... Jesus
Efficient but expensive fuel miser cars will cost us more in taxes ...who would of thought!

Could you (anyone) even understand what you voted on this year?
Even reasoning in the voters pamphlet, pro or con is double talk confusing.
Lawyer speak meant to confuse. ...Grrr

It will be so f***king complicated we won't know (and don't now) where our tax money goes.

The fleecing continues.
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Old 12-08-2012, 02:32 PM   #9
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I hope this doesn't pass
Next thing you know they'll hook up people with pedometer's
and start taxing for walking, biking or running.
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Old 12-08-2012, 02:45 PM   #10
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I hope this doesn't pass
Next thing you know they'll hook up people with pedometer's
and start taxing for walking, biking or running.
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Old 12-08-2012, 03:09 PM   #11
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Old 12-08-2012, 04:36 PM   #12
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Remove the gas tax and I am all for it.
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Old 12-08-2012, 05:44 PM   #13
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If we're talking about maintaining roads, cars do very little in terms of wear and tear... unless they are using studded tires. So, tax the crap out of studded tires.

Heavy trucks do 100x more damage to the road than cars, or more. Look at the ruts worn in I-5/I-405 in the lanes that trucks predominantly use. Many of those trucks aren't registered in WA, and many of them don't buy much, if any, fuel in WA. How are you going to make them pay? How about a weight tax on trucks? Pay it at the weigh stations.

Finally, instead of trying to find new ways to come up with revenues, why not find some new ways to cut spending? There's a lot of spending that the state government does that are more about social engineering than proper government. Unfortunately, too many people want the government to meddle, and they want someone else to pay for it.
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Old 12-08-2012, 08:07 PM   #14
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And Linkweewee... read the bottom
I wouldn't read whatever you're link is even if naked $1000.00 an hour hookers were handing out hundred dollar bills to snort 1/4 mile long lines of cocaine off of it.
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Old 12-08-2012, 08:15 PM   #15
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in lil ol NZ owners of road going diesel vehicles pay a tax per km on diesel.The theory is that diesel is not taxed at the pump because a lot of diesel is bought there for NON road going vehicles.So diesel owners buy 1000 km at a time(up to 10000 km) winscreen labels on a sliding weight scale.lighter vehicles pay less(but the minimum is two tonnes) and big rigs pay more.
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