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Old 12-21-2012, 07:51 PM   #91
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The gosh darn Germans got nothing to do with it!
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Old 12-21-2012, 08:00 PM   #92
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The gosh darn Germans got nothing to do with it!
I'm not so sure mang, after Schaustehler von GasHuffer posted up out of fucking nowhere:

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Old 12-22-2012, 01:15 AM   #93
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from Mossad Ayoob http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/Massa...inst-monsters/
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After the Ma’alot massacre in 1974, Israel instituted a policy in which volunteer school personnel, parents, and grandparents received special training from the civil guard, and were seeded throughout the schools armed with discreetly concealed 9mm semiautomatic pistols. Since that time, there has been no successful mass murder at an Israeli school, and every attempt at such has been quickly shortstopped by the good guys’ gunfire, with minimal casualties among the innocent. Similar programs are in place in Peru and the Phillippines, with similarly successful results.

Some people see the logic in the Israeli approach.
I see this as a very viable solution to the problem of children being shot in school.

But apparently we aren't discussing solutions so lets ignore that.

I think that we need to call for the regulation and control on the purchase and carry of Baseball Bats. These UNLICENSED and UNREGULATED weapons are favored by Street Gangs and Mafia Thugs around the country and need to be regulated and TAXED!

From Little Leaguers to Professionals a Tax on these Dangerous Weapons would Protect our Children and line lots of pockets.

Of course the Politicians answer to everything is to pass more laws. It's what they do. Pass a law to control something and then tax it. Carbon-dioxide tax?

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P.S. Heres an Idea. Make the Legislators repeal a law for every one they pass.
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Old 12-22-2012, 01:22 AM   #94
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I honestly don't know what the solution is to these tragedies. The US has more gun violence per person than any other western industrialized country (USA, Canada, Europe, Japan, Oz, etc.). After this, there are a number of facts which contradict the dogma on both sides of this issue. Consider...

Canada has at least as many guns per person as we do, but only a small fraction of the gun violence. If the cause is too many guns in the US, then why isn't Canada having the same level of violence?

The US is easily the most religious country among the peers I named, but has way, way more gun violence. If more religion is the answer, then why don't the UK and France, which are nearly atheist countries by comparison, have the gun violence problem we do?

Canada watches the same TV, movies, and video games we do. Why aren't they shooting each other? Drive a couple hours from Seattle to Vancouver and you're essentially in the same city and culture but your odds of being shot drop to almost nothing. Why?

I'm stumped.
I remember when Milton FL had the highest number of churches per capita.

It was also the year we had the highest number of murders per capita.

Neat coincidence hmn?
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Old 12-22-2012, 04:45 AM   #95
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An armed guard at each school may or may not help. But it is worth noting that Virginia Tech, like all campuses, has an entire police department devoted especially to protecting their campus and the body count there was even hire than in Newtown. And Ft. Hood was a military base!

There are a lot of quick easy answers being thrown around, but none of them -- not a single one -- withstands much scrutiny. Like I said, I'm baffled.
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Old 12-22-2012, 04:56 AM   #96
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Guns are not the issue, Mental Health treatment is. There are too many children that never receive the help they need until they become violent offenders. As many of you know Mata is an early childhood intervention specialist serving those lowest on the economic scale. She sees more and more seriously fucked up toddlers and pre-schoolers each year.
These potential monsters can be identified as young as 2 years old but policy makers don't give a damn, Momma is a crack hoe or working 3 jobs, and Daddy is long gone. Their world view is shaped by watching thugs on MTV, heinous violence on cable, and unspeakable mayhem in video games. What chance to these kids have? No one gives a shit until they become violent and the we spend a $129 per day to pen them up.
Mata is seeking funding of about $100 a day to have therapist come in to Her center a couple of times a week to treat these kids and no one cares. Instead of treatment a couple times a week for a few years the system will pay to house them as inmates for 20 yrs.
While I feel Reagan was one of our best Presidents, his biggest failure was cutting mental Health funding and turning the mentally ill out on the street.
The US needs to stop being the worlds policeman, get the fuck out of the Middle East, and spend those dollars on our children.

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Old 12-22-2012, 05:43 AM   #97
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The US needs to stop being the worlds policeman, get the fuck out of the Middle East, and spend those dollars on our children.
So true.

Unfortunately, it won't happen. There's more money at stake in the oil and defense industries than in child care and mental health.

Anyway, all those little kiddies are angels and deserve their very own dvd player in the back seat of the luxury suv so mommy and daddy don't have to deal with them.
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Old 12-22-2012, 07:56 AM   #98
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There are a lot of quick easy answers being thrown around, but none of them -- not a single one -- withstands much scrutiny. Like I said, I'm baffled.
I concur wholeheartedly. No quick easy answers, and a new assault weapons ban is going to be sold to the American public as just that. Everybody wins, right? The lawmakers get to feel good about passing new laws to "solve the problem," and the Dumb Masses feel good about their enhanced safety. And the wheel goes round and round.

Certainly steps need to be taken to keep guns out of the hands of deranged psychopaths. Everybody agrees with that. How to go about doing that is problematic. What if aforementioned deranged psychopaths have never sought treatment, and have never committed a crime? Who gets to say they're mentally unfit to own a firearm, and what do you use for the specific criteria? Juvenile history? Past suicide attempt? Privacy issues come into play quickly.

Here's a good question: could Adam Lanza have legally obtained the firearms he used in that massacre? Pretty sure the answer is yes. He tried to buy a rifle of some sort, and didn't want to wait for the required 14-day waiting period: http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/n...,5913090.story

Say he had waited. Wouldn't he have been given the green light? No prior felonies. No dishonorable discharges. Going on the info we currently have available, he had never been institutionalized in any mental health facility. But again, something we can all agree on--Adam Lanza and his ilk are not the kinda people we want having legal access to firearms. It's already been brought up here, but in this particular case parental responsibility certainly comes into play.

Shit, this issue is like a Gordian knot. Every solution leads to a whole new set of problems.
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Old 12-22-2012, 09:34 AM   #99
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Shit, this issue is like a Gordian knot. Every solution leads to a whole new set of problems.
Damn educators and your big vocabularies. Now I'm gonna have to go look that up.
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Old 12-22-2012, 09:59 AM   #100
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Damn educators and your big vocabularies. Now I'm gonna have to go look that up.


+1 dumb it down a little for the sake of us chuckleheadz


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Old 12-22-2012, 12:07 PM   #101
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This guy was definitely into 2A freedoms:




'resisting Tyranny' gets slippery, no?

There for a minute I thought that said" resisting tranny gets slippery, no?"

Started thinking and then did a double take.
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Old 12-22-2012, 01:20 PM   #102
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Shit, this issue is like a Gordian knot. Every solution leads to a whole new set of problems.
I thought David Brooks had an interesting suggestion a few days about in his column. He suggested that people get a license to own a gun, similar to a drivers license. Take a course, then pass a written and a practical test, then you get your license to own and use a firearm. We already have a requirement like this in Florida for the concealed permit, just extend it to any sort of use or ownership.

I think this makes some sense. Everyone has a right to ride a motorcycle, but motorcycles are dangerous so society imposes the reasonable restriction that people get training and pass a test to get a license. Likewise, everyone has a right to own a gun but guns are dangerous, so we should impose the reasonable restriction that people get training and pass a test.

I don't think it would prevent all these episodes, but it may prevent a few of them and that may be the best we can do.
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Old 12-22-2012, 04:48 PM   #103
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According to Big Brother, driving/riding isn't a right and a lot of people know that. They will argue it if someone put driving and The Second Amendment in equal territories.
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This USA country of Ours is now gone.

Im all for protecting the children and the innocent but let's not forget who we are and why and how this Nation was established.

Prev post stated focusing on US vs policing the world. Maybe, maybe not bc of Nat security. How about not providing aid for a couple of yrs to other countries until we get ours in fiscal balance and work this gun thing out.

BTW not trying to piss any GBs Sanke eaters (read my signature) off, but aid is never the answer when others abuse it and use it against US. Im on the the school of thought that you win with oppressive fire, not flying the white flag.
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This USA country of Ours is now gone.

Im all for protecting the children and the innocent but let's not forget who we are and why and how this Nation was established.
Indeed, sir. Let us not forget.







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