ADVrider

Go Back   ADVrider > Bikes > Orange Crush
User Name
Password
Register Inmates Photos Site Rules Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 12-21-2012, 12:08 PM   #1
reinhardt OP
Adventurer
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Location: Swellendam
Oddometer: 11
Last of the 990R or 1190R?

I'm not sure if I posted before or introduced myself before, but I like bikes, and riding bikes. Do enduro's, and off-road racing, MX a bit, and play on the farm with a Sherco trials bike. Kids all ride from about 2yrs old, and started racing as well. I'm by no means a good rider but just like riding bikes.

I've got a 300XCW, just sold my 800GS, because not using the 800 so much, but I'm itching for a dualsport again.

If I buy I want to buy new, so 990 R sound nice, and the 1190 sound like its a 1200 GS competitor. What do you guys recon? I even think of a 690 with Dakar conversion, but the thumper worry me a bit?

A dual sport is like 4x4, you still use them most of the time on tar, although you tell your mated that you're a hardcore offroader. Still saying that you do not want to be frustrated by a overweight companion. The new 1190 is only 10kgmore than the 990, so makes you wonder, but the fun factor????? There is nothing nicer than to get on sandy stuff, stand up, and start pinning, with suspension that just soak up everything like that 300!!
reinhardt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2012, 02:22 PM   #2
Tiggersteve
Adventurer
 
Joined: Dec 2012
Oddometer: 42
My tuppence as a non owner,
The 990 is well known as the best off roader in the big adventure market and I really can't see KTM compromising with the 1190 or R
But the 1190 will be a better road bike,

Sent from my Sony Ericsson arc s using Tapatalk 2
Tiggersteve is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2012, 03:12 PM   #3
cjracer
AWD please!!
 
cjracer's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Location: Mukwonago, WI
Oddometer: 3,937
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiggersteve View Post
My tuppence as a non owner,
The 990 is well known as the best off roader in the big adventure market and I really can't see KTM compromising with the 1190 or R
But the 1190 will be a better road bike,

Sent from my Sony Ericsson arc s using Tapatalk 2
I think they did when it was decided to put the exhaust under the bike and lower the suspension more.

Coming off an 800GS, the 990R will be an eye opener. The 800 makes me yawn.

Get the 990R, if you don't like it trade it in or sell for the 1190 when it comes out. Only you can really say after you've ridden them.

I see the new 1190/R as a BMW GS. Not the best when it comes to off road, but then most don't do much more than gravel, so it will be perfect for the KTM lover with a HP addiction.
__________________
My 2006 950S thread. 2006 950s update
New product updates here! Wordpress BLOG
click www.cjdesignsllc.com for the full line of products. FREE STUFF!!
cjracer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2012, 04:06 PM   #4
DuctTape
Gnarly Adventurer
 
Joined: Sep 2011
Location: Kansas
Oddometer: 351
To me it's more about electronics and riding aids, or the lack there of.

I bought my 990, 1198 and RSV4, Boom, Boom, Boom for one reason and one reason only. I have no use for electronics on my bikes. Never had it and don't need it now.

The ABS on the 990 is an annoyance I can live with but TC, WC, LC, multiple maps, push button/auto suspension adjustment, etc are totally useless to me and just make the bikes harder for the owner to work on. I've never used the Traction control on my 1198 and the Map on my RSV4 is set to RACE and has never been changed but I do only ride them on the track and my 990 only sees pavement for fuel.
__________________
2013 KTM 690 (Thanks FLHRCI Buyer! )
2011 990 Adventure Dakar (Thank you Honey!)
2010 Aprilia RSV4 Factory
2010 Ducati 1198S
DuctTape is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2012, 04:07 PM   #5
Harold Waikiki
oldfatdumbbrokeoutof
 
Harold Waikiki's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2011
Location: Camano Island, WA
Oddometer: 231
Get a 950 or a 990. Ride the 1190. Get it too.
__________________
'14 KTM 1190R
'11 KTM 990 Dakar. '09 KTM 950 SE R Erzberg
'12 KTM 350 EXC
'09 KTM 530 EXC (610 big bore kit)
'82 Honda CT 110
Harold Waikiki is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2012, 04:56 PM   #6
laramie LC4
crash test dummy!
 
laramie LC4's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Location: Tucson, Az
Oddometer: 2,315
i was in the same boat. the beginning $20,000 price tag on the new bike turned me off. the horrible looks sealed the deal. i bought a new '12 990R a few weeks ago and couldn't be happier.

laramie
__________________
DON'T TRUST CUT 7! HE IS A CROOK! ASK ME HOW I KNOW.

'12 LC8 990R, '02 LC4 640, '05 WR 450f (part-out), '98 XR400R, '76 KE100, '05 525 (Step-Child)
laramie LC4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2012, 05:17 PM   #7
Ramv
Gnarly Adventurer
 
Ramv's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2011
Location: Castle Rock, Co
Oddometer: 448
Although I have neither....

I hate the DTS, can bus and all the other electronic crap on myDucati. I do like the efi after a few map updates. I love my SE for being simple and a great on/off road bike. aBs would be a deal breaker on any bike for me. I think both adv R would be between these two with the 990 being very close to the SE and the 1190 some where in the middle. I find the Ducati boring but an effective commuter. The SE is fun on the twistes and dirt.
__________________
'10 Multistrada 1200 Std ('11 - current) for sale
http://advrider.com/forums/showthrea...2#post23383292

'07 Super Enduro 950
'96 KLX250R - kind of street legal
Ramv is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2012, 08:56 PM   #8
raddad
Raddad
 
raddad's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2011
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Oddometer: 12
99R Buyer

While I haven't ridden the 1190 I can offer this. I was ready to pull the trigger on a BMW 1200 GS. I rode the Triumph, the BMW and just before making up my mind, I rode the 2011 990R. In fifteen seconds I had a grin that went from one ear to the other and there was NO comparison in the bikes.

As a motocrosser from waaaay back in the day, the 990R offered superior off road capabilities and felt like old home. I have ridden the bike at 100+ mph on fire roads and over some decently technical stuff as well as my first long road trip where I put in 1400 miles in 4 days....

Still have that grin from ear to ear. Best purchase I ever made....

The 1190 will have bit more grunt for the highway, but I didn't need it and don't want any more for the dirt...

PS - you have to be 6' tall to ride the R or buy a lower seat -cuz this thing is tall.

Best of luck.
__________________
http://www.bicycleworldtv.com
raddad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2012, 09:25 PM   #9
wpbarlow
Beastly Adventurer
 
Joined: Jun 2003
Location: Central NJ
Oddometer: 9,213
The fact is that no one knows how the 1190 will be in the dirt. The only published person who has ridden (and who owns a 950) the 1190 said that the 1190 was not only better off road than the 950, but he said it was also better than the 950SE (and I admit that makes me skeptical).

Granted, only one person's (admittedly suspect) opinion.

But consider this-- motorcyclists in general are pretty conservative and generally uncomfortable with change. Great example of this is when the 990 came out; it was pretty roundly dissed by many 950 owners as a Starbucks Warrior. Now it is (properly ) venerated.

It's your money of course and if you need to buy right now you have no choice anyway. If you can wait, ride both and then decide. And don't worry too much-- if history is any example, new 990s will probably be available after the 1190 comes out. Plus, I believe there will be a whole lot of farkled late model 990s on the market when the 1190 is available.
wpbarlow is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2012, 12:00 AM   #10
Digitdion
KTM Lover
 
Joined: Jan 2009
Location: Queenstown NZ
Oddometer: 65
Quote:
Originally Posted by wpbarlow View Post
The fact is that no one knows how the 1190 will be in the dirt. The only published person who has ridden (and who owns a 950) the 1190 said that the 1190 was not only better off road than the 950, but he said it was also better than the 950SE (and I admit that makes me skeptical).

Granted, only one person's (admittedly suspect) opinion.

But consider this-- motorcyclists in general are pretty conservative and generally uncomfortable with change. Great example of this is when the 990 came out; it was pretty roundly dissed by many 950 owners as a Starbucks Warrior. Now it is (properly ) venerated.

It's your money of course and if you need to buy right now you have no choice anyway. If you can wait, ride both and then decide. And don't worry too much-- if history is any example, new 990s will probably be available after the 1190 comes out. Plus, I believe there will be a whole lot of farkled late model 990s on the market when the 1190 is available.
Well said my friend! I t,hunk you have hit the nail in the head,
Digitdion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2012, 07:16 AM   #11
reinhardt OP
Adventurer
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Location: Swellendam
Oddometer: 11
Thanx for the good replies. I think I have to wait, test the 1190, and see that fatty first, then maybe there will be a couple of 990's left????

I'll hate it to waste money to buy 990 now, and see that I must have bought the 1190 instead. 2nd bikes do not sell so well.
reinhardt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2012, 08:13 AM   #12
O.C.F.RIDER
Loose nut behind h/bars
 
O.C.F.RIDER's Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Location: Hewitt,New Jerseystan, OBAMANATION
Oddometer: 4,768
Quote:
Originally Posted by wpbarlow View Post
The fact is that no one knows how the 1190 will be in the dirt. The only published person who has ridden (and who owns a 950) the 1190 said that the 1190 was not only better off road than the 950, but he said it was also better than the 950SE (and I admit that makes me skeptical).

Granted, only one person's (admittedly suspect) opinion.

But consider this-- motorcyclists in general are pretty conservative and generally uncomfortable with change. Great example of this is when the 990 came out; it was pretty roundly dissed by many 950 owners as a Starbucks Warrior. Now it is (properly ) venerated.

It's your money of course and if you need to buy right now you have no choice anyway. If you can wait, ride both and then decide. And don't worry too much-- if history is any example, new 990s will probably be available after the 1190 comes out. Plus, I believe there will be a whole lot of farkled late model 990s on the market when the 1190 is available.
Very hard, if not impossible, to believe.
But, then again, WTF does a nobody like me know.
__________________
http://www.theshining.info/
KTM 950 Adv. "S"...'06 KTM 525 EXC...
'76 MV Agusta 750 America S...'84 Honda VF1000...
'90 Kawasaki ZX11...'76 Kawasaki 900 Z1...'01 VOR 400E
O.C.F.RIDER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2012, 08:24 AM   #13
Schannulleke
Gnarly Adventurer
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Oddometer: 205
Quote:
Originally Posted by wpbarlow View Post
The only published person who has ridden (and who owns a 950) the 1190 said that the 1190 was not only better off road than the 950, but he said it was also better than the 950SE (and I admit that makes me skeptical).
Do you have a link to the source of this?
Schannulleke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2012, 08:40 AM   #14
LC8rider
Studly Adventurer
 
LC8rider's Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Location: Preston, UK
Oddometer: 648
Thumb

I went to the bike show here in the UK with a head full of excuses NOT to like the 1190. It is far more beautiful in the flesh I promise you (except the exhaust). Threw a leg over it to see it from the riders angle. Very nice and very slim, doesn't look it, but it is. You can tell a lot of thought has gone into the bike. Hadn't been on it for more than half a minute when a brolly dolly asked if I wanted a test ride (March 2013 release date). Seemed rude to refuse, so I am booked to ride each of them in the new year . Price has put me off and I love my 950 too much to be seriously tempted. Also, I am not a fan of electronic enhancements on bikes. Hard to fault find and expensive to fix, never mind the fact you might be stranded in the middle of nowhere.

Rambling on a bit I know, point is, I tried all the big DS bikes at the show. All had similar prices, but only the KTM had any real chance of me parting with lots of cash - if I had any
__________________
KTM 950ADV & Suzuki DRZ 400E
LC8rider is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2012, 09:22 AM   #15
Sadlsor
Studly Adventurer
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Location: Magic City in the Heart of Dixie
Oddometer: 690
From just another keyboard warrior... I will agree with OCF Rider, his modest self-deprecating manner notwithstanding.

While most bikes are (and always seem to be) more capable than most riders, the SE pared-down to dirt essentials (except for the ludicrous and thrilling over-abundance of torque and horsepower) in comparison to the 9x0, much less the1190, couldn't possibly under-perform in its native environment next to these others.

The results will be apparent once the 1190 is actually available, and though I'm not a gambling type, I'd wager a sum of money on my previous statement. I have great admiration for the design and execution of the SE, cognizant of the fact it's not for everyone.

In the end, however, it's nice to have choices. I would love to ride the 1190, but don't see exchanging it for my Adv -S.
__________________
You must be the change you wish to see in this world.
Sadlsor is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Share

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

.
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


Times are GMT -7.   It's 05:56 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ADVrider 2011-2014