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Old 12-24-2012, 11:40 AM   #16
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How do you decide if you have had too many? Do you make that decision after you are drunk?

"a drink" implies "one" drink. Not multiple drinks. Notice the lack of an "s" after "drink".


One is too many in that case. Why would you even want to drink and ride?
One is too many in what case? After too many?

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Or what about the statement made by one UK academic who was trying to get bikes banned, arguing (quite reasonably, I might add) that riding a motorbike stone cold sober, even in ideal conditions, is statistically more dangerous than driving a car over our drink-drive limit. The latter is illegal, therefore the former should be too, right?

Quite reasonably?

With that twisted logic you could also argue that the people drunk drivers run into are the problem. If they hadn't been out there driving they wouldn't have been involved in the accident.

They should ban ALL vehicles from the roadways. It's much more dangerous than walking.
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Old 12-24-2012, 08:45 PM   #17
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Good post Dakez. I sadly know the extent of the effects of someone driving drunk. During my freshman parent's weekend at college there was an accident in the middle of an intersection when my parents were taking my brother and I back to campus. We decided to stop because my mom was a nurse. Many other people stopped as well, including off duty fire fighters and a paramedic, before the emergency vehicles arrived. My parents and 3 others were in the road assisting a person from the accident that appeared to have a spinal injury that they didn't want to risk moving. Even wtih all the emergency lights and flood lights from the off-duty firefighters and people turning traffic around, a drunk driver in a van plowed through everyone in the road. All six people in the road died, including both my parents, right in front of my eyes.

Needless to say, drunk driving is not taken lightly by me.
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Old 12-25-2012, 12:06 AM   #18
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How do you decide if you have had too many? Do you make that decision after you are drunk?
Since my IQ is higher than room temperature (SI units) it's a matter of seconds - even if drunk - for me to calculate my blood alcohol.
It's legal here to drive with under 0.3%o and under 0.5%o if you don't show signs of unsafe driving.
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Old 12-25-2012, 12:27 AM   #19
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Ride Aware... And Please don't let people Drink and Drive
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This will of course lead to a debate about even having one and then riding.
A debate that you started. The topic of your first post is quoted above.

Then you say you agree that one drink is ok, just don't drive drunk. Which is it?
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Old 12-25-2012, 12:28 AM   #20
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Good post Dakez. I sadly know the extent of the effects of someone driving drunk. During my freshman parent's weekend at college there was an accident in the middle of an intersection when my parents were taking my brother and I back to campus. We decided to stop because my mom was a nurse. Many other people stopped as well, including off duty fire fighters and a paramedic, before the emergency vehicles arrived. My parents and 3 others were in the road assisting a person from the accident that appeared to have a spinal injury that they didn't want to risk moving. Even wtih all the emergency lights and flood lights from the off-duty firefighters and people turning traffic around, a drunk driver in a van plowed through everyone in the road. All six people in the road died, including both my parents, right in front of my eyes.

Needless to say, drunk driving is not taken lightly by me.
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Old 12-25-2012, 01:11 AM   #21
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Since my IQ is higher than room temperature (SI units) it's a matter of seconds - even if drunk - for me to calculate my blood alcohol.
It's legal here to drive with under 0.3%o and under 0.5%o if you don't show signs of unsafe driving.
When I said "you" I meant people in general. I realize there are exceptional people such as yourself that are able to do the math under any conditions.
For the vast majority it would just be safer to just not drive or ride after drinking.
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Old 12-25-2012, 04:50 AM   #22
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I wish they would show this video and the others in the USA. Sadly, politics as they are would prevent it. If you really wanted to make an impression you could switch songs to DOA by Bloodrock as the carnage starts.

Actually lost a friend to the open door, step out into traffic thing.

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Old 12-25-2012, 06:31 AM   #23
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My Father got into a drunken bar fight and stabbed a guy when I was 21. My younger sister was hit by a drunk and burned over half her body and a broken neck. She has survived for 30 years with her injuries but is in very bad shape. We have been expecting her to die at any time for the last 2 years. Needless to say I have no use for drunks in general but especially drunk drivers. But I agree with Dakez that 1 drink is not necessarily a bad thing. For me it would be because I drink 1 about once a year.
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Old 12-25-2012, 07:58 AM   #24
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A debate that you started. The topic of your first post is quoted above.

Then you say you agree that one drink is ok, just don't drive drunk. Which is it?

It would be one heck of a drink to have only one and be drunk.

Good point though as it is true that all drinks are not created equal.

As an example: Where some hopped up Micro-brews will have some grown men intoxicated and visibly impaired before he finishes his second, a Coors light is so low in alcohol content it resembles a "free-beer" like O'doul's

My point is: Drink responsibly and stand up and stand in the way of anyone that you see trying to get behind the wheel of a car or on a bike if you know or suspect that they are impaired.

But I suspect that you knew that.

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Old 12-25-2012, 12:12 PM   #25
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Thanks for posting that reminder Dakez. Having worked too many of these wrecks in a former life, it's just not worth it.
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A debate that you started. The topic of your first post is quoted above.

Then you say you agree that one drink is ok, just don't drive drunk. Which is it?
What is the statute of limitations on a single drink? 12 hours? six? three?


One drink does not impair judgement for the rest of the calendar day and magically disappear at midnight or daybreak. Alcohol is metabolized, and yes some people metabolize it slowly. A single drink at 3pm is effectively out of one's system at 6pm.

I refuse to believe that touching one drop of alcohol makes one unable to operate a vehicle for 24 hours.


Maybe a breathalyzer to retrieve one's keys in establishments where alcohol is sold would do the trick, but bar and restaurant owners would go out of business.
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Old 12-28-2012, 08:29 PM   #27
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Any amount of alcohol slows reaction time and impairs judgement. We need to be the best riders we can be to avoid the drunk driver, or the blue haired granny, or the texting teen.
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Old 12-28-2012, 08:39 PM   #28
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Since my IQ is higher than room temperature (SI units) it's a matter of seconds - even if drunk - for me to calculate my blood alcohol.
It's legal here to drive with under 0.3%o and under 0.5%o if you don't show signs of unsafe driving.

You must mean 0.05% and 0.03%. At 0.5% most people would be dead or in a coma. Here in the US the legal limit is 0.08%. It used to be 0.10% but they found that dropping it to 0.08 yielded a much larger income to the state.
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Old 12-29-2012, 12:34 AM   #29
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In lack of the right symbol I used "%o" for "per mill".

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Any amount of alcohol slows reaction time and impairs judgement.
As do a thousand other things. Listening to music or audiobooks, looking at the satnav, talking to your passenger, looking at the landscape, being tired, being emotionally stressed and so on and so on.
So there's no reason to be especially afraid of alcohol in small amounts.
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Old 12-29-2012, 05:07 AM   #30
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In lack of the right symbol I used "%o" for "per mill".



As do a thousand other things. Listening to music or audiobooks, looking at the satnav, talking to your passenger, looking at the landscape, being tired, being emotionally stressed and so on and so on.
So there's no reason to be especially afraid of alcohol in small amounts.
Being tired likely causes more vehicular accidents than anything else.
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