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Old 02-12-2015, 09:55 AM   #1
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Death Valley with only 100 mile range? (GF riding pic attached)

Weve never been to Death Valley before.

Heres what weve got:
- 2 small bikes with 100 mile range
- a moto van with gas cans in it.
- a strong aversion to pavement (and long boring stretches of washboard too)

Here is the plan so far:
SAT:
Arrive 11am Saturday morning
Stage van somewhere close to riding area need recommendations
Afternoon Ride <- need recommendation
Get back to van before dark, move van to campground or BLM dry camping area

SUN:
Find hearty breakfast, coffee, and bano (girlfriend isnt big fan of dry camping)
Stage van somewhere need recommendations
Morning Ride <- need recommendation
Food and Gas back up at van
Afternoon ride <- need recommendation
Spending sun night in motel in Lone Pine (concession to GF)

MON:
Stage van somewhere on west side of DV need recommendations
Morning Ride <- need recommendation
Drive 6 hours home

Open to all suggestions and recommendations- thanks guys.




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Old 02-12-2015, 10:09 AM   #2
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first things first... get a MSR dromedary bag or bottles to up your range to 150-200 miles. just in case.

some areas can be done in under 100 miles...

Pleasant Canyon to Rogers Pass down South Park (or reverse that for more of a challenge) out of Balarat is 30 miles.


the Big Loop around Ubehebe- Lippencott - Saline Warm Springs - Steele Pass - Eureka Dunes - Crankshaft Junction - Ubehebe is 150 miles and just park the van at Ubehebe.


Echo Canyon to Big Dune back down Titus or Chloride Cliffs is doable since you can get gas in Beatty.


Goler Wash over Mengel past Striped Butte is doable.


Hunter out of Panamint is doable.


some of the dirt roads off of Nadeau Rd would be doable.

breakfast at Panamint Springs is a good option. Furnace Creek as well.

have fun!
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Old 02-12-2015, 11:30 AM   #3
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+ 1 on the Dromedary Bag. I suggest the 6 liter one. Easy to strap on and readily available at the tree hugger store. Mine has proven to be bombproof. You can also get the Death Valley map while your there.

http://www.rei.com/product/733950/ms...ry-bag-6-liter

http://www.rei.com/product/774970/tr...map-california





As far as where to go just look at the map and go for it! Make your own adventure!! I'll be there next week. 1st time on a bike and looking forward to it. Have fun!
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Old 02-12-2015, 01:45 PM   #4
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Re: Dromedary bag - I never would have guessed that a water bladder would be tough enough to hold gas. It's in stock at my REI; detouring on my way home to pick it up. Thanks!


Re routes - Even carrying 6 liters of extra gas the 150 mile loop would be a tight squeeze. In perfect conditions I can do 125 miles and she can do 110, but throw in some sand or slow speed running and that range falls quickly.


Approx how many hours would this route take at a casual pace? Google says it is 83 miles.

Stage here: 36.364202,-117.62612

Saline Valley Alternate Route > Lippencott > Racetack > Teakettle > Hunter Mtn > back to staging area
(http://goo.gl/maps/8iZKK)
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Old 02-12-2015, 02:32 PM   #5
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Re: Dromedary bag - I never would have guessed that a water bladder would be tough enough to hold gas. It's in stock at my REI; detouring on my way home to pick it up. Thanks!


Re routes - Even carrying 6 liters of extra gas the 150 mile loop would be a tight squeeze. In perfect conditions I can do 125 miles and she can do 110, but throw in some sand or slow speed running and that range falls quickly.


Approx how many hours would this route take at a casual pace? Google says it is 83 miles.

Stage here: 36.364202,-117.62612

Saline Valley Alternate Route > Lippencott > Racetack > Teakettle > Hunter Mtn > back to staging area
(http://goo.gl/maps/8iZKK)
You could just drive the van down Saline Valley Road and cut out the out/back portion to your staging area. Ride the loop from the Hunter Mt turnoff.
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Old 02-12-2015, 02:55 PM   #6
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For your Saturday ride:

Park van at Furnace Creek. Ride to Chloride Cliffs and explore. Go out to Beatty and get gas. Ride back via Titus Canyon. Hit up Artisan Drive and 20 Mule Team for some cool sights. Use the hot showers at FC for $5.
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Old 02-12-2015, 03:08 PM   #7
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it won't matter where you stage... the loop is 150. no matter how you slice it or dice it (my best infomercial line )

you could also just ride down Saline Road to Saline Warm Springs and turn around back. or continue up through Steele Pass and back.

while its a great loop, there's plenty to ride.

definitely do Pleasant Canyon up to Rogers Pass down South Park. one of my faves.

drive over to Furnace Creek and do Echo Canyon. or stage out of Big Dune/Amargosa Valley and ride out there.

the dromedary bag is key whether you think you'll be pushing the mileage or not. when you're in DV, you never know.

Panamint Springs, Trona, Stovepipe Wells, Furnace Creek, Shoshone and Beatty are the only gas stations in or around DV.
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Old 02-12-2015, 04:04 PM   #8
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You guys are awesome.

Any idea on a place to dry camp near Furnace Creek? All the campgrounds appear to be sold out.
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Old 02-12-2015, 07:02 PM   #9
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Some of the routes suggested (Echo Canyon, Lippencott, Goler/Mengel) are not for the faint of heart. Since you're bringing your GF, make sure to match your skill level to the ride. That is if you want to keep your GF.
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dromdeary bag

Got me all curious. .no leaks? Who did this experiment?
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Old 02-12-2015, 08:03 PM   #11
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Many riders have used this solution for years. It works

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Got me all curious. .no leaks? Who did this experiment?
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Old 02-12-2015, 08:41 PM   #12
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>"Some of the routes suggested (Echo Canyon, Lippencott, Goler/Mengel) are not for the faint of heart. Since you're bringing your GF, make sure to match your skill level to the ride. That is if you want to keep your GF."

Yup. Look up 'Chicken Rock' and 'Chicken Bridge' in DV.



Here are a couple hundred mile loops.

Panamint. Emigrant Wash, Skiddoo, Auguberry, Charcoal Kilns,
Wildrose to Panamint Springs Road, Panamint Springs. (100 miles).

Panamint. Cerro Gordo. Salt Tram. Reverse.
Go to Darwin on the way back.
Take the toll Road back to Panamint Springs. (100 miles)

Furnace Creek. Beatty Road. Chloride Mines. Beatty (gas) Ryholite.
Titus Canyon, Furnace Creek (120 miles with a gas stop).

Drive the van down West Side road to Warm Springs Road. Unload bikes. Butte Valley, Barker Ranch. Return... (60 miles).
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Old 02-12-2015, 09:49 PM   #13
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You can dry camp off of 190 headed towards Pahrump.

In the park, here's a link to backcountry camping: http://www.nps.gov/deva/planyourvisit/backcamp.htm
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Got me all curious. .no leaks? Who did this experiment?
I've had and used mine almost 3 years. No issues other than the "nipple" needs to be taped up. Crash proven. Bag has bounced off the bike no leaks. The Black one is heavy duty.
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Old 02-12-2015, 11:50 PM   #15
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You guys are awesome.

Any idea on a place to dry camp near Furnace Creek? All the campgrounds appear to be sold out.
there are two campgrounds across from Furnace Creek, Texas Spring and Sunset. which are basically gravel parking lots. mostly for RV's. but could be a place for an evening. don't forget all the cabins in and around DV. dunno if the motovan could get to all of them, but the bikes would.
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