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Old 03-18-2013, 08:38 AM   #361
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I told my kids to look where they want to go and the bike will go there. My big one figured it out immediatley. My five year old figured it out too, but she likes to deliberately look in one direction while riding in another direction, while shouting, "Look daddy. It doesn't work!" Man, that kid is a pain in the ass.
I'm pretty sure she's posted in this thread.
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Old 03-19-2013, 06:22 AM   #362
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I told my kids to look where they want to go and the bike will go there. My big one figured it out immediatley. My five year old figured it out too, but she likes to deliberately look in one direction while riding in another direction, while shouting, "Look daddy. It doesn't work!" Man, that kid is a pain in the ass.
It only gets better/worse. Good luck!
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Old 03-19-2013, 06:28 AM   #363
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How does a unicycle turn?
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Old 03-19-2013, 08:41 AM   #364
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Why bother on learning how to use the CS on purpose, other for leaning and swerving when you need it? The faster you lean the bike, the less lean angle you'll need to go through the turn. That's why it's important to be able to turn the bike even faster than we usually do, and we'll only achieve that if we master the CS technique.

Regular riders, forget the physics, you don't need to master the physics, practice; just push the bar and see what happens. Push a little bit harder and see what that extra push brings to you.

IMHO, there's nothing wrong in knowing the physics, but there's not a must to be a good rider.
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Old 03-19-2013, 09:00 AM   #365
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How does a unicycle turn?
Depends. When you're stopped you can slowly turn your torso in one direction, then jerk your legs around. If you're moving you keep your torso strait and jerk your legs a little opposite the direction you want to turn then as you begin to lean the conical shape of the tire/wheel begins to turn in the opposite direction you jerked your legs. It's a lot of jerking your torso and pelvis inline or apart from each other.

When I was 12 it took me a week of constant crashing to learn to ride a unicycle.

It's not like riding a bike, because you do forget how to do it.
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Old 03-19-2013, 09:27 AM   #366
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Depends. When you're stopped you can slowly turn your torso in one direction, then jerk your legs around. If you're moving you keep your torso strait and jerk your legs a little opposite the direction you want to turn then as you begin to lean the conical shape of the tire/wheel begins to turn in the opposite direction you jerked your legs. It's a lot of jerking your torso and pelvis inline or apart from each other.

When I was 12 it took me a week of constant crashing to learn to ride a unicycle.

It's not like riding a bike, because you do forget how to do it.

I don't think that you do forget. I learned at 12, and really didn't use one for years. One day when I was 27, I saw this guy on an extended unicycle, with the seat about 5 feet high. I asked him if I could try it. I did it on the first try, and really impressed this girl i was trying to bang!
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Old 03-19-2013, 09:37 AM   #367
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I don't think that you do forget. I learned at 12, and really didn't use one for years. One day when I was 27, I saw this guy on an extended unicycle, with the seat about 5 feet high. I asked him if I could try it. I did it on the first try, and really impressed this girl i was trying to bang!
I think in my mid 20's I did something similar. But now at 38 I tried to ride one a few months ago, and just couldn't get it.
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Old 03-19-2013, 10:13 AM   #368
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I think in my mid 20's I did something similar. But now at 38 I tried to ride one a few months ago, and just couldn't get it.

Good point. I'm 56, and not sure I'd try it now. I'll stick to the safer motorcycles and Mtn bikes!!!
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Old 03-19-2013, 09:41 PM   #369
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This reminds me of trying to ride my friend's pedal trike a few years ago. I never had a trike as a kid or rode one before this, so the only program in my brain for anything with handlebars is to countersteer. I could not for the life of me steer that trike! I would think to turn and try to turn the handlebars in the direction of the turn, but then muscle memory from riding two wheeled things would kick in and i would end up going the opposite direction of where i wanted to go every time. My friends had a good laugh at me steering into walls on the thing.
Don't testride a Can-Am Spyder then, unless you can arrange it on an acre of unobstructed pavement.

Seriously, though, it felt *very* strange to me to be using handlebars and not countersteering.

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Old 03-21-2013, 02:06 PM   #370
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good post,accurate and informative. But please, do you have to call a Harley Davidson a hardley in a informative post like this? I just get real tired of the old joke.
and yes i have one. along with a klr. and have had a wing along with a wide assortment of other on and off road machines.
Yep. Sorry. It's the Biker Way. Tease everybody about everything all the time, forever. It's ingrained like countersteering. But. I know how you feel. I get tired of all the brit bike jokes on occasion. My particular conditioning bleeds over into the rest of my life. I can't write a simple informative business note without sticking a bit of tease/humor into it. Rarely,,, I get one of my notes juuuust right and people save it. Or worse, print it out and hang it on their cubicle walls. Some of my stuff is difficult to live down. Gotta admit. I tried 'normal' for a while and nearly killed myself with the boredom.
The sheeple rarely let me down. It was 12 F degrees this morning and they asked me as I came in wearing my gear, "Did you ride today?" (OMC)
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Old 03-21-2013, 02:27 PM   #371
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This reminds me of trying to ride my friend's pedal trike a few years ago. I never had a trike as a kid or rode one before this, so the only program in my brain for anything with handlebars is to countersteer. I could not for the life of me steer that trike! I would think to turn and try to turn the handlebars in the direction of the turn, but then muscle memory from riding two wheeled things would kick in and i would end up going the opposite direction of where i wanted to go every time. My friends had a good laugh at me steering into walls on the thing.
Happens to some hack drivers when they first start out. As it never happened to me when I was learning to drive a hack, I was floored when I saw it happen to a budd. Some riders recover/learn/adapt quickly and others seem to have some struggle with it? The human mind is forever amazing to me. My budds luv watching me deal with the foibles that I am stuck with.
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Old 03-22-2013, 07:59 AM   #372
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i nearly drove a goldwing/sidecar rig into ditch once at about two mph. i was never in any danger but it was weird.
a neighbor had hit a deer with the sidecar and wanted us to do an alignment on it. we don't normally work on anything other than automotive,but got talked into doing it. (not that hard to do btw) got done and went for a test ride?drive? about a mile from the shop the rig slowly started going left. i slowed down, it still kept going left. down to barley moving and it's still going left. I'm nearly in the ditch. it took all me willpower to finally turn the bars to the right and lo and behold it went right! never had a desire to ride a hack since. interestingly thou I've ridden lots of trikes,both motorcycle based and v.w.based and had no trouble at all.
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Old 03-23-2013, 01:34 PM   #373
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A street hack is an eccentricly aligned and balanced vehicle. It won't go straight ever. One cannot take one's hands from the bars and expect that hack to go straight even for a moment. Granted, when it is aligned correctly, it will work about as well as it ever might. But a hack driver developes amazing shoulder strength the longer he/she drives a hack and adapts to the constant steering effort. When a new hack driver starts out, it isn't unusual to see him/her take a break from the effort every 20-30 minutes. City hacking is easier only due to being able to rest at traffic stop lights. Sometimes a friction steering dampener will be cranked down hard enough to keep the hack going mostly straight and give the driver some rest.

Racing hacks can be set up for cornering such that the corner requires the least effort to steer.

I defer to the experts in the hack section if I am found to be in error.
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Old 03-23-2013, 04:27 PM   #374
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I have to post in CS thread ...it should be like an regulatory stuff that you have to do....

Take a look at the first page ....Dakez post.....read it, get it, until you do it without thinking....thats it..
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Old 03-23-2013, 05:59 PM   #375
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This is not to be until Tuesday.

You are already countersteering if you are turning a bike or motorcycle. (they do not turn otherwise)

It is nice to know the mechanics of it however... And to practice those mechanics.

Look Left Push left Go Left
Look Right Push Right Go Right
Look through the turn. Look through the turn. LOOK THROUGH THE TURN.


The end.
Took a while reading this thread to understand this. I new it intuitively; yet still took further reading for it to dawn on me why I was still slightly confused. It's because the above way of saying it didn't match science or reality not because it's wrong; ......... but cause I was reading his wording different than he intended it be read. It read to me as

look left, push left......... your now going left
Look right, push right..... your now going right
Look look etc.

of course that made no sense because push left side of bar is done in the 99% of time one is in a right turn.

So maybe it's best said initially as below.

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Turning Left: Loooook left, *some push left to setup lean for turn (AKA counter steer to lean left), then steer yourself to left
Turning Right: Loooook right, *some push right to setup lean for turn (AKA counter steer to lean right), then steer yourself to right

*counter steer is onset of turn and only momentary. more abrupt the counter steer, more abrupt/quick the lean will be. Quicker lean allows for quicker turn such as for evasive maneuver
Once that is clearly understood; thennnnn shorten it; for quicker brain processing when in action, to something like how Dakez and others put it. Say?:

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look Left, Push left, Steer Left. KEEP LOOKING LEFT!
Look Right, Push Right, Steer Right, KEEP LOOKING RIGHT!

EMPHASIS: Look through the turn.
Look through the turn. LOOK THROUGH THE TURN.

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