2012 CT110 (Japan)

[Verbal]

...and from the pics on that website, it appears that Honda showed a Cross Cub concept in November.
http://hondafriendscafe.blog137.fc2....entry-347.html
I doubt they would bring it to the US. But it's nice to see Honda still thinks about the old trail cubs.

[Aj Mick]

Originally Posted by Woodsrat

Can anyone help me find a site showing the CT-110's in any country's Honda motorcycle lineup? I looked for an hour and didn't find anything.

I was under the impression that they went out of production four or five years ago. I sure hope I'm wrong.

They were last listed in the Austrailian and New Zealand Honda motorcycle lineup as "agricultural bikes" but they're not there anymore.

Likewise, last time I looked in at the Honda motorcycle line up the CT110 was there, but now it isn't. It had been in the lineup since 1966, albeit as the CT90 way back then.

My father bought one for the farm that year, and I soon learned to ride it; it was expected so i could go out and do chores on it. A few years later, a couple of weeks after I turned 15 I got my licence on it.

Good to see that it has had an update, and hopefully it will be back on the market in a few countries again before too long!

Another change I noticed is the CTX200 now has a manual clutch, and they are making a virtue of a lever that allows a rider to dismount and lock the clutch disengaged. as i recall, it used to have an auto clutch, which is really convenient for farm work.

http://www.honda-motorcycles.co.nz/BikeModel/99/ctx200

[Woodsrat]

The CTX200 looks like a nice bike but it's basically the old XR-200 in a street-legal form with racks. For farm use where you'd be getting on and off of it all day long I'd think the CT-110 with it's step-through frame would be superior for this use. On the other hand given that the XR-200R was at one time the state-of-the-art in smallbore enduro bikes (although that was 25 years or more ago) it might be more fun to ride at a spirited pace. "Gee, dad, the fence line sure needs to be run again..."

Guess I'll be forced to continue to hunt for old junquers to get my CT fix. Thanks again for the links to the vids.

[snakebit]

Originally Posted by Aj Mick

Likewise, last time I looked in at the Honda motorcycle line up the CT110 was there, but now it isn't. It had been in the lineup since 1966, albeit as the CT90 way back then.

My father bought one for the farm that year, and I soon learned to ride it; it was expected so i could go out and do chores on it. A few years later, a couple of weeks after I turned 15 I got my licence on it.

Good to see that it has had an update, and hopefully it will be back on the market in a few countries again before too long!

Another change I noticed is the CTX200 now has a manual clutch, and they are making a virtue of a lever that allows a rider to dismount and lock the clutch disengaged. as i recall, it used to have an auto clutch, which is really convenient for farm work.

http://www.honda-motorcycles.co.nz/BikeModel/99/ctx200

The first Honda trails came out as 50 and then55 cc probably starting in 1960 in the U.S. I had one in 1964 and it was several years old. Traded up to the Sport 90 later that year. Wheeee

[hayasakiman]

Originally Posted by Verbal

I can't find any Honda sites showing them for sale. But I looked up the shop that put the video up:
http://homepage3.nifty.com/cilindro/bike1.htm

I have no idea what any of that says.

It looks like they are importing those bikes from Australia to Japan. Those models are supposed be for mail carriers for AU Postal Service. Engines were made in Kumamoto, Japan.

[Woodsrat]

One of the close-ups shows a build date of 9/11 which would be a 2012 model. As long as they're still in production we can hope.

[scottro]

Originally Posted by JerryH

It just isn't fair. But as much as I want one, most people do not, and they would not likely sell here. And they probably do not meet U.S. EPA and DOT standards. I'll bet it still has a carb on it.

If the Chinese can get these bikes EPA and DOT certified and sell for $1500 shipped to your door ($1100 when on sale), I would think Honda could do it for a reasonable price, say under $3K, thru one of their Chinese or Thai manufacturing plants...... if they thought Americans would buy them.

The bike pictured is a 125 with a carb, air injection, cat, & evap canister.

[fullmetalscooter]

Originally Posted by JerryH

About 10 years ago, when they were still being manufactured in Mexico, and sold for about $8000 brand new, I tried to find a way to bring a brand new air cooled VW Beetle into the U.S. I was tired of all the problems I was having with my old beat up rusted out bugs. Basically I was told "no how no way" They actually could be brought here, but could not be legally registered here. I think the EPA and DOT are a big part of the reason we don't get a lot of cool bikes here that you can get a lot of other places. It costs serious money to "certify" a vehicle for the U.S. market, that CT would likely have to have a disc brake, different turn signals, fuel injection, a catalytic exhaust, etc, etc. By the time they did all that it would cost way more than anyone would be willing to pay for it. And I'm afraid a Chinese copy would turn out like the Chinese clone of the Big Ruckus, basically junk. A real Honda CT110 is a bike you can count on to take you pretty much anywhere. Without breaking down.

From what I understand in canada it's 50 grand just to keep you bikes on the list every year plus you have to give them 5 or is it 10 to test and then destroy after. Don't know the cost to get a bike tested . Eg you ll not find royal enfield on the canada import list from the usa even though there the same bike as what the Canadian import sell . Sadly again 3 grand diff between the canada and usa price.

[tuna101]

The reason is the EPA, that simple!! Here is a site for CT's if you want info or just like them as I do.
http://hondatrailcts.yuku.com/
If anybody can find the bag on the CT in the video I'd sure like 1 and could sell a bunch. Searched all over since I saw and no luck, even with the name on the bag.

[scottro]

Originally Posted by tuna101

The reason is the EPA, that simple!! Here is a site for CT's if you want info or just like them as I do.
http://hondatrailcts.yuku.com/
If anybody can find the bag on the CT in the video I'd sure like 1 and could sell a bunch. Searched all over since I saw and no luck, even with the name on the bag.

It isn't the EPA. The Chinese are selling EPA Certified bikes left and right. There's nothing special to the emission controls on these bikes either. They have carburetors that are set up lean, air pumps, cat cons in the exhaust and an evap canister.

http://www.pitsterpro.com/bike/overview/id/43

http://www.peirspeed.com/madass125.htm

http://www.clevelandcyclewerks.com/bikes/

Honda's been burned bringing cool small bikes to the US, and just won't do it again. Profit margin isn't high enough.

[Woodsrat]

Originally Posted by hayasakiman

950,000 YEN = 10914.55 USD = Not for me.

I found a July '09 site announcing that the CT-110 "Postie Bikes," originally imported just for the Austrailia Post, would be offered new to the public at $3490 in '09 Aussie dollars which works out to be $3657.52 in U. S. buckaroos.

Would you give this much for a brand-new CT-110 if Honda brought 'em in? Personally I'd send 'em a check today if they would.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Woodsrat

I found a July '09 site announcing that the CT-110 "Postie Bikes," originally imported just for the Austrailia Post, would be offered new to the public at $3490 in '09 Aussie dollars which works out to be $3657.52 in U. S. buckaroos.

Would you give this much for a brand-new CT-110 if Honda brought 'em in? Personally I'd send 'em a check today if they would.

I would jump at the chance to get a new one. Especially if it looks like it rolled straight out of the '80s. These bikes are just way more fun than the sum of their parts!

[ArtCuisin]

Originally Posted by Aj Mick

Likewise, last time I looked in at the Honda motorcycle line up the CT110 was there, but now it isn't. It had been in the lineup since 1966, albeit as the CT90 way back then.

My father bought one for the farm that year, and I soon learned to ride it; it was expected so i could go out and do chores on it. A few years later, a couple of weeks after I turned 15 I got my licence on it.

Good to see that it has had an update, and hopefully it will be back on the market in a few countries again before too long!

Another change I noticed is the CTX200 now has a manual clutch, and they are making a virtue of a lever that allows a rider to dismount and lock the clutch disengaged. as i recall, it used to have an auto clutch, which is really convenient for farm work.

http://www.honda-motorcycles.co.nz/BikeModel/99/ctx200

I'm not understanding the purpose of this clutch disengaged feature. Are you saying it
comes with a manual clutch but this special lever allows it to go to auto-clutch mode?
It would seem to me that such a feature would require two separate clutches to be built into
the engine?

[scottro]

I think they'd have to keep the price point at least a grand below a new Ninja 250/300 or CBR 250 in order to sell enough. I would love to see a smaller reputable company w/ a dealer network like Sachs or Cleveland Cycle Works market a decent-quality Chinese or Taiwanese copy for under $2500. Sachs Madass 125's were selling locally for $1999 last fall.

[Woodsrat]

Originally Posted by ArtCuisin

I'm not understanding the purpose of this clutch disengaged feature. Are you saying it
comes with a manual clutch but this special lever allows it to go to auto-clutch mode?
It would seem to me that such a feature would require two separate clutches to be built into
the engine?

What I believe it does is hold the clutch lever in. Dunno why that would be imporant--I'd just put it in neutral.

Maybe we ought to ask an Aussie...