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Old 01-12-2013, 02:25 AM   #8836
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this was on mcn uk apologies if its already been posted:

"Cyril Despres will be spending this evening in the marathon stage bivouac changing his engine after suffering major gear box issues on the seventh stage of the Dakar today.

With the race entering the marathon stage, Despres and all the other motorcyclists will be spending the night in a completely separate bivouac 150km from the main sight, where no outside assistance is allowed.

Despres, a former motorcycle mechanic, is however able to get assistance from other competitors and will be calling on help from his support rider and water carrier Ruben Faria to help with the engine change.

However despite speculation that it would be Faria that will be donating his engine, MCN can confirm that it will be Polish rider Marek Dabrowski who will swap engines with Despres. Dabrowski is a top rider with seven Dakar finishes to his credit and a best result of 11th, but is currently down in 72nd place and unable to run at his normal pace due to injury.

Speaking to MCN, KTM team manager Alex Doringer said: “Cyril has started work on the engine change already. It wasn’t a pre-agreed with the team, but Marek has not been able to ride like we know he can so it was just a case of making a phone call.”

Despres will be hit with a 15m time penalty for making the change meaning that by the time he starts tomorrows stage eight he will be 29m 07s behind leader Olivier Pain.

KTM had almost certainly planned to make a tactical engine change on the rest day, but now face the dilemma of whether they will still do that as a second engine change comes with a significantly increased time penalty of 45 minutes.

Under rules for pre selected elite riders, KTM can make a request to have Despres’ starting position for tomorrows stage moved up. He is currently set to start the stage in 34th, but it’s likely he will actually get away at around the 25 mark."
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Old 01-12-2013, 02:26 AM   #8837
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I think at the end they will put the trucks on the same track and then it's a no brainer what will happen ...
Hope they prove me wrong
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Old 01-12-2013, 02:27 AM   #8838
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Bloody effin' hell, that engine sounds like it is hating everything around it! =)

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No I think they don't, but Cyril's deficit of having only a 4 speed gearbox will be next to null for only 100+ something kms of Special. He was losing 3 minutes per WP to Kurt yesterday, so he loses another 6-7 minutes to the top riders today, till he brings it in to Rest Day and a fresh engine. Makes sense
That would make sense if he didn't swap engines, and even if he did swap the engines back (CDP gets the broken gearbox) the seals are still broken (we saw the photographs of bikes being picked apart yesterday) and he still has the 15 minute penalty.
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Old 01-12-2013, 02:29 AM   #8839
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That engine is a ticking bomb.
You can't have a 'lightly damaged' gearbox and continue racing. Something has to be rattling in there.
It is. On the other hand, maybe by draining the oil a few times he hopes whatever has come loose is just sitting at the bottom of the gearbox. He's a pretty adept mechanic, probably knows the sxf motor inside and out

I once nursed a busted EXC about a 100+ kms -stuck in 3rd- back to the bivvy. when we split the cases, turns out that the 3-4 busted teeth had settled nicely at the bottom, my mechanic chewed my ass off for retiring, said I could have done the special only in 3rd - it would have lasted fine the whole day- and swap another engine for the next day

Damn him, grumpy old ex-enduro champ
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Old 01-12-2013, 02:30 AM   #8840
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Never see the old guard trusting blindly on road books ?

What a load of BS, the old guard is so fast opening the tracks because of that.

Tell me who has opened the track and kept his lead at this Dakar?

Comments from CD in the same regard, the new guys don't open tracks with speed. (Yet)

I think it is a matter of time before they do, its experience and gaining faith with the makers of the roads books and reading the zero cars tracks.
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Old 01-12-2013, 02:33 AM   #8841
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That would make sense if he didn't swap engines, and even if he did swap the engines back (CDP gets the broken gearbox) the seals are still broken (we saw the photographs of bikes being picked apart yesterday) and he still has the 15 minute penalty.
I'm pretty sure the ASO news bite will go something like "Cyril was about to change his engine, but when he learned of the change of the route decided to keep his in". We will never know if the seal was broken, and even if it was there will probably be a special ASO arbitration that states the engine was not actually changed, so no 15 minute penalty. Or something like that. In french
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Old 01-12-2013, 02:38 AM   #8842
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Yeap, I thnk they said that CD changed his mind during the engine change and he put back the old one.
Uncofirmed yet

What? Where did you hear this, I totally missed that?
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Old 01-12-2013, 02:41 AM   #8843
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Emotions of loosing a fellow rider
Altitude sickness
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He still takes the time to give all of us a call. He needs a good night sleep. He also needs a good day tomorrow. He did not sound disappointed at all the first special was cancelled
Cold and wet - he'll feel at home then !
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Old 01-12-2013, 02:41 AM   #8844
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I'm pretty sure the ASO news bite will go something like "Cyril was about to change his engine, but when he learned of the change of the route decided to keep his in". We will never know if the seal was broken, and even if it was there will probably be a special ASO arbitration that states the engine was not actually changed, so no 15 minute penalty. Or something like that. In french


That's be just... awesome. And CDP would've spent a lot of extra time wrenching the old engine back into his bike. Poor sod. =/ But then again, none of us know (I assume) how far he got with the swap, although looking at the picture I personally find it quite hard do judge how far along they got with the swap... Mostly because when I try to find out of there's an engine in CDPs bike I lay my eyes on man parts... gosh darn!
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Old 01-12-2013, 02:44 AM   #8845
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TV schedule for stage 8

Just rechecked the tv schedules for stage 8 and these are my findings:

12:th
@ 17:40 (UTC/GMT) - France 4 (Le Dakar)
@ 18:15 (UTC/GMT) - Eurosport 2 (Live - Interviews)
@ 22:00 (UTC/GMT) - Eurosport 1 (Highlights)

13:th
@ 00:26 (UTC/GMT) - Eurosport 1 (Highlights)
@ 01:05 (UTC/GMT) - France 2 (Bivouac)
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Old 01-12-2013, 02:44 AM   #8846
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Doubt that a privateer "helping" out KTM's top rider is remebered/benefitted for a lifetime by the corporate.

why am i reminded of a certain Luca Manca from last year ??
Dabrowski is not a true privateer. The team has a professional set-up major sponsors, KTM is one of those sponsors as bikes are delivered at discounted rates. Team Orlen takes part in most rallies. Great guys but hardly privateer effort. I think Kuba was offered a job as WC for the factory team and declined as this meant he would not have a shot at winning.

A business decision, an emotional business decision made by Marek.
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Old 01-12-2013, 02:44 AM   #8847
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Never see the old guard trusting blindly on road books ?

What a load of BS, the old guard is so fast opening the tracks because of that.

Tell me who has opened the track and kept his lead at this Dakar?

Comments from CD in the same regard, the new guys don't open tracks with speed. (Yet)

I think it is a matter of time before they do, its experience and gaining faith with the makers of the roads books and reading the zero cars tracks.
Not sure if you're replying to what I posted earlier, maybe I didn't phrase it well. The old guard have a 6th sense of sniffing out the course according to "how" the RB is written. Everyone writing an RB has his own "language", for lack of a better term. I believe there is an advantage when racing, of "learning" how a specific person writes a route. The new guys don't have that added experience yet, just a matter of getting a few more Dakars under their belt.

And by trusting blindly, I don't just mean the navigational info on the roadbook but also the dangers marked

As to who has has opened and led, I think going back to last year, either Cyril or Marc or both won at least one stage whilst opening. No others though, I can't be bothered to go and check the stages

I still think the new guys do open with speed, lots of aggressive speed, till they make a mistake that bites them hard.

Maybe what I meant is that the young guns mistakenly trust their abilitiy to read the RB blindly
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Old 01-12-2013, 02:58 AM   #8848
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That engine is a ticking bomb.
You can't have a 'lightly damaged' gearbox and continue racing. Something has to be rattling in there.
Bent fork selector, maybe drain oil and no bits came out. 100 scenario's, risky.
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Old 01-12-2013, 03:02 AM   #8849
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Late of the bivouac this morning after a partial engine swap - currently on the gf's ipad but will be downsizing again to my phone for the day. Going to be a long stage for me....

Sooooo whats the official line on cdp? Did he change the engine or not? I would have thought even with te first part cancelled his bike is still 50/50 on getting to the end with the old engine
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Old 01-12-2013, 03:03 AM   #8850
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Check on that Brodo.

The old guard rides road book and trusts it 100% incl the !!! cautions.

The new guys have to learn this and there is no quick school for this other than opening and learning.
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