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Old 01-06-2013, 06:55 PM   #16
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I like the idea of buying and selling a used bike. I really think that's the cheapest and most fun way to go. Allowed a few days to shop and buy, get registered, etc and then off ya go.

I wouldn't be too worried about selling it at the end, dealers will make some money off of you of course, or you could put a for sale sign on the bike while you ride it around, and maybe by two bikes while you're on the trip!

One thing though, be careful about leaving bikes in many places in Europe - they get stolen like crazy, so invest in a real chain and possibly a disk lock too.
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Old 01-06-2013, 08:11 PM   #17
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I just did that last summer. Shipped it using Schumacher Logistics (their warehouse was somewhere in Gardena) and it cost $450 for their end and the actual transport. Then paid another 175 euro to the receiving agent (which was set up by Shumacher) for that end. this was one-way cost. I was even allowed to stuff the panniers with my gear. You'll need to allocate 2 months for the shipping, it's on the ship for one month. I shipped it to Bremerhaven, but I think the cost is about the same for any of the major ports they service. The whole thing went rather smoothly. You will need to buy the European "green card" insurance beforehand.
If you want to get even more bang for your buck, consider leaving the bike with the already mentioned Stefan Knopf for a year and go back next year for another month - his fees are very reasonable. He's also your best deal for rentals - not brand new bikes, but well maintained and no per KM charge like most of those rental places.
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Old 01-07-2013, 01:09 AM   #18
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Cool2 fly out?ship back

fly your bike in and ship it back (roro wilhaus williamson or wtf its called ) .save alot of heartache with your time constraints!!
moto milan is slightly cheaper for the grreen card for europe and covers morocco although i believe stephan can organize all that too through adac and of course roadside assist.
FWIW that is the crazy time in europe i headed to the arctic at this time and that certainly thinned out the crowds but dodgin caribou probly aint the missus idea of living the vida loca huh (send her by bus/train to rome n head north).
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Old 01-07-2013, 05:24 AM   #19
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I'm in london.

Place i know does rentals at good prices. Has GS models from the F650GS through to the R1200ADV.

About town motorcycle hire. Look under Enduro for the GS models .. http://www.abouttownbikehire.co.uk/
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Old 01-07-2013, 06:42 AM   #20
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Buying as a foreigner I do not have to pay GST, or said a salesman; I'll have to check that out soon. I will need to pay for licensing and insurance, but it looks as buying might be a viable option for me. LA to London is looking like about $1300-1500 each way for my GS plus I will need to service the bike completely on either end since the chemicals are drained and the battery disconnected. That alone adds 4-5 days of waiting for a dealer to get to my bike. Remember its my vacation, not theirs, so nobody will be in a hurry to get me going on the road.
Hi Motomochila - if I might offer some info which I think you (and others from outside the EU considering similar options) will find makes the decision easier...

Basically, while a UK dealer can take your money and physically give you the bike, you won't be able to register or insure it in the UK without a UK address, and more importantly, you have to be a UK resident (or at least have a visa allowing you to stay for an extended period, such as European citizens for example) to get insurance cover in the UK... and in addition, you are also not able to insure a non-UK registered vehicle with a a UK insurance company either - they don't like to make things easy do they?!

So while it would be 'technically' possible to have the registration document made out in your name, and say use a friend's UK address for example, the real problem comes back to the insurance - and even if you did bluff them, in the event of an accident or claim, the policy would be void, and at the very least you might be subject to criminal prosecution - so it's really not worth even considering!

I have an American girlfriend who has exactly the same problem when she visits here - in the end, she gave me the money and I bought the bike she wanted and registered it in my name, and have her as a named/2nd rider on my insurance policy - it's the only way to do it legally, such is the anomaly of the UK insurance industry!

So for non UK or EU citizens, really your only options are shipping your own bike, or renting something for the duration of your trip...

Regarding shipping, people have already mentioned Motorcycle Express (air)

http://www.motorcycleexpress.com/

and Wallenius Wilhelmsen (sea)

http://www.wilhelmsen.com/Pages/wwhome.aspx

and I would also add James Cargo to that list who are UK based out of Heathrow, who specialise in bikes and can handle everything:

http://www.jamescargo.com/

Although of course you will still have to arrange separate insurance - I did something similar when I brought my US bike to the UK a few years ago - I insured it for six months using Knopf Tours - they are not cheap, but can offer non UK/EU citizens European wide coverage (and include Morocco if you desire) on a monthly basis...

Also note, it is unlikely to be notably cheaper shipping from the east coast vs. the west coast - certainly the air fright price is basically the same.



Alternatively, the good news is that as a non-resident, at least you are able to rent a bike (including insurance) here in the UK, for use in Europe too - I had a couple of friends from the USA do this last summer, and it really is the most simple way of doing things. I know there are a number of European 'tour' companies that can rent you anything you want for a price, but we ended up going to this hire place in London (who have the additional benefit of not being far from Heathrow Airport) -

http://www.motorcyclehireuk.com/Moto...ire/About.html

Not BMWs, but they have a range of bikes on offer, from around 280 a week (plus I think it is an extra 30 per week for European insurance use) - far cheaper than the European rental companies? and if you add it up, quite possibly cheaper than shipping and insuring your US bike?

There are a couple of other bike rental companies based in London offering a range of bikes/manufacturers, but be aware that some will have weekly mileage restrictions - these guys had a limit of 250 miles per day, but spread over the two weeks it was plenty for our trip through France, Switzerland and into Italy and back... and to be honest, it didn't seem as if it was rigorously enforced - they were pretty easy going and I'm sure they would cut you some slack if you are renting for an extended period.

Anyway, I hope that helps with your plans!

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Old 01-07-2013, 07:57 PM   #21
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Some good info that Jenny!
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Old 01-07-2013, 08:48 PM   #22
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Thx Jenny. I guess shipping is going to be the answer. Everyone has quoted me over a grand plus an additional 200 for insurance. Looks like its $2500 or more, no matter what. No time to ride to New York and still take the month to ride Europe so it's shipping my GSA from LA to the UK and back again. The bright side; I get to ride my own bike.

Stay tuned, I'll be posting my progress as I limp along with the details.

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Old 01-08-2013, 05:24 AM   #23
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Thx Jenny. I guess shipping is going to be the answer. Everyone has quoted me over a grand plus an additional 200 for insurance. Looks like its $2500 or more, no matter what. No time to ride to New York and still take the month to ride Europe so it's shipping my GSA from LA to the UK and back again. The bright side; I get to ride my own bike.

Stay tuned, I'll be posting my progress as I limp along with the details.

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No problem, glad to help!

To be honest, if you are getting a quote of around $1200 USD each way, that is good value - as it is pretty much the same in Stirling going the other way! (by air that is).

for info. I've shipped bikes across the Atlantic (from the west coast/Las Vegas to London) three times now - each time by air*

The first time was bringing my US bike back to Europe in 2007, when the cost was around $1000 USD.

I then shipped a UK bike to the States (I was going for six months, and in addition the bike I wanted wasn't available in the US at the time) the following year, and the cost then was around $1600 USD, or 1000 GBP.

However, by the time I wanted to bring that bike back in spring 2009, the prices for air-freight had increased even more - something to do with the TSA changing the rules on 'dangerous goods', and the result being far fewer shipping agents would handle vehicles, meaning those few remaining essentially had a captive market (cynical? moi?!).

Anyway, these days it is closer to $2000 USD to ship a bike to the US from the UK (using a UK agent), so if you can sort a deal at your end that includes return shipping, I'd do it!

Have fun!

Jenny x


ps. *Although air-freight can seem more expensive initially (compared to sea freight), it really is the most straightforward way - all the paperwork is taken care of by the shipping agent/handler, and you have pretty much a guarantee when your bike will be ready for collection, unlike sea transport which can be delayed due to weather etc.
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Old 05-08-2013, 08:53 AM   #24
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June 10th-Departure day for my bike. Destination; London via air cargo. How much? $4750.00 round trip. Yep, it's steep but renting a bike that I wanted to ride for six weeks would have cost more. All the bike rental sites quoted me at least $1,000 per week and only 100 miles per day. Some charges as much as $1.00 per kilometer over the allowed daily. Shipping was the only alternative. By boat was an option but I needed to deliver my bike by April to be included in a container going to London for a late may delivery. That price was $1500 and change each way including insurance and transfers. $3,000 plus and the possible damage while sitting in a 40 foot container for six weeks didn't make sense so I opted for the air cargo. I am packing the bike myself; Reusable pallet mount with plywood box. Total cost here; $75.00.

Bike arrives at a BMW dealer in London by the 13th and I arrive on the 15th to begin my six week solo Euro tour. Anybody riding Europe during this time interested in joining along for a few days, PM me or post.
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Old 05-08-2013, 09:10 AM   #25
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Please update ALL of us when your bike arrives in London.

Did the shipment go as planned? Any surprises?

Thanks.

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Old 05-08-2013, 11:28 AM   #26
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See this, buy a bike in Ireland use it, store it, whatever...

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=868979
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Old 05-08-2013, 11:29 AM   #27
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motomo, please tell us where the flight to london is originating. My understanding is that we can't ship from the US. Perhaps a euro airline can do it from the states?
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Old 05-08-2013, 11:59 AM   #28
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Crap, best part of $5000!

You could buy a bike there for $5000 and GIVE it away and still be ahead, or sell it for half cost and bring money home.

This year already I have had three travelers from Europe.

One from Sweden who I bought a used KTM 990A for and he JUST headed out to Baja.

A married couple from UK who I bought 2 used Yamaha 650 VStars for and they JUST headed out for the Western States of USA.

I took care of everything for them, they just arrived like movie stars and rode off.
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Old 05-09-2013, 08:19 AM   #29
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Crap, best part of $5000!

You could buy a bike there for $5000 and GIVE it away and still be ahead, or sell it for half cost and bring money home..
Yep, I throughout that one too. Had the cash in hand for a KTM 990 Adventure from London. $7500 and change. Figured to sell it for a $3-4000 loss and I'd be ahead of the game. Anything upward of that and I figured it would be a great deal. NOBODY, and I mean nobody would sell me insurance unless I had a local address. No problem, go on horizons Unltd and find a mate that would allow the use of his address to register my bike. Oops, new problem. Now I had to have a license issued in the country of the purchase. I would then have to take classes in that country and pass a 50cc test and in about 4 years I could move up to the 990. UK out. Next country; Germany. Found a R 1200GS for 9,000 euros. 'Bout $10,300 US out the door. Now need the insurance and an address. I thought the UK was difficult. I'm not a resident, so only way is to ship out of country. Kinda defeats the purpose. Italy; I may as well buy a new bike there, but at least I could register it with a temporary address. So... Italy it was. "Oh, you are an American? Do you have a license? I can't sell you a motorbike and let you take delivery in Italy without a license and insurance. We can surely ship you motorbike back to America" OK I'm thinking my idea sucked. Next, rental companies. Finally found a company with either a BMW 1200GS or a KTM 950 adventure. With insurance, theirs; $1200 per week and 150 kilometers per day allowed. .83 euros for each km thereafter. Figuring at least 150 miles per day and six weeks on the trip, I'm now spending $7,200.00 in base rental plus average of 75 euros per day in overage miles. Wow another $500.00 per week in rental costs. Now my trip is costing me over $10,000.00 for a bike without putting one litre of fuel or one meal. Shipping my own bike now looked far better.

The cheaper way would be via sea container but I didn't want to go that route. I will consider it on all other legs of my RTW journey in six week segments.

I'll post pics and shipping details as I go forward. The trip..will be a new thread with gazillions of pics. I'm going solo so there won't be other riders telling me to hurry up and get back on my bike and ride.

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Old 05-09-2013, 11:38 PM   #30
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They won't sell you insurance with an International license?

I wonder what happens with a rental insurance?

I wonder what will happen with insurance for your own bike, you still don't have an address or license now do you? So taking your own bike doesn't get around that hiccup.

Progressive sold my guys insurance here in the USA over the internet. The INT. LIC. was same number as the Brit LIC and nothing was said.
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