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Old 01-07-2013, 04:00 PM   #16
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I have never balanced a tire in the 20 years I've been changing my own rubber. Sport bikes, adventure bikes, dirt bikes.

I have however lately started throwing a handful of airsoft pellets in if it's a tubeless tire.

Not sure it really makes any difference.

Some riders won't notice the difference. Once you know the difference, you'll always be able to tell if it's properly balanced

My 2013 GSA has a front rim variation of less than the spec 1.7mm. I can feel it and will be working on getting a Woody's wheel
to replace it. Then, I can send in the stocker for proper truing.
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Old 01-07-2013, 04:21 PM   #17
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Well let me ask this. How important is balancing the tires?
Since 90% of the roads near me are unpaved and the other 10% are heavily potholed or have huge frost heaves. It's hard for me to notice. Just in case I toss a couple ounces of DynaBeads in with each tire change and press on.

Then there are those riders with really sensitive butts who feel the need to balance down to the nearest tenth of a gram. More power to em if it makes them happy. I have more than a few quirks of my own...
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Old 01-07-2013, 04:24 PM   #18
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Very, if you ride over 35 MPH. You can buy a wheel balancer for about 129 bucks.
Be advised, you need a automotive balancer to balance BMW rear wheels with the large diameter hole.
Most static balancers are axle type and rely on small cones to align the wheel.


Here's some info and a video. http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcyc...tire-balancer/


I have the No-Mar wheel/tire changer. I bought just the base and blocks and built my own stand. It was a cheap solution, but I doubt he
will sell only the base now. This was when he first started his business. You might ask if they would.

Looks like No-Mar offers a static balancer with the adapter cones for the larger center hole on the GS/GSA & RT style wheels.

nother source for static balancing BMW Rear wheels....http://www.marcparnes.com/BMW_Motorc...l_Balancer.htm

they been around for twenty some years.

I don't bother balancing tires, I rebalance the rim in the spring. tire tech has come a long way since the sixties and I have found few that were way out...I used three sets last year


currently have a K60 rear waiting to be installed, it is fine for the GS.



I do run 90, lots.


Find an old Coates 220 tire machine, change your own without insurance issues
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Old 01-07-2013, 04:31 PM   #19
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Since 90% of the roads near me are unpaved and the other 10% are heavily potholed or have huge frost heaves. It's hard for me to notice. Just in case I toss a couple ounces of DynaBeads in with each tire change and press on.

Then there are those riders with really sensitive butts who feel the need to balance down to the nearest tenth of a gram.
More power to em if it makes them happy. I have more than a few quirks of my own...

Yep! My S1000RR runs smooth and flat with a 1/10th to zero balance. I really notice it when on a trip.
A bike with unbalanced tires will cause greater fatigue over a 3 day 1500 mile trip. A zero balance is pretty sweet once you experience it
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Old 01-07-2013, 04:33 PM   #20
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nother source for static balancing BMW Rear wheels....http://www.marcparnes.com/BMW_Motorc...l_Balancer.htm

they been around for twenty some years.

I don't bother balancing tires, I rebalance the rim in the spring. tire tech has come a long way since the sixties and I have found few that were way out...I used three sets last year


currently have a K60 rear waiting to be installed, it is fine for the GS.



I do run 90, lots.
i've been using that balancer forever. great design! just use 2 car stands as support. let the tire spin and the heavy point will go low. then on the high end attach some tape on wheel weights (clean the rim up real good first in that area with alcohol). start with 1 and rotate the tire 90 degrees and see what it does. if the heavy point goes to the bottom again then tape another weight on the opposite side of the rim in the same spot as the other. repeat by moving back and forth on the side of the rim attached and placing the weight next to the last keep even (front and back & repeat).

eventually you get to the point the wheel does not spin back to the low spot but rather stopping at different places each spin. it's now static balanced.

other options are dyna balance beads you put in the wheel and when it spins it balances each time. compensates for wearing tire and change in balance over time. http://www.innovativebalancing.com/motorcycle.htm
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Old 01-07-2013, 04:37 PM   #21
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Let me start off by saying I found a place, finally. But I have called 10 different places to get my new heidenau's mounted and every place either says they can't mount tires I bought for insurance reasons or they are not interested in mounting them on a BMW or a brand they haven't heard of.

Yes I have heard the sidewalls are stiff on these things but really?

Thus ends my rant.

On a side note since I am taking the wheels in myself should I take off the front rotors or am I ok to leave them on?
what exactly are "BMW tires" they don't make tires but rather put the cheapest OEM bidder's tire on at the time.

that sucks no dealers will touch the K60. do you have any independent shops in your area? have the wheels off the bike to make it easier on them and tell them you'll sign a release form is they insist.
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i've been using that Harbor Freight tire changer mount bolted to the floor
http://www.harborfreight.com/automot...ger-69686.html

and mitche's robo lever
http://home.comcast.net/~prestondrake/mojoweb.htm
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Old 01-07-2013, 05:15 PM   #23
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Yep! My S1000RR runs smooth and flat with a 1/10th to zero balance. I really notice it when on a trip.
A bike with unbalanced tires will cause greater fatigue over a 3 day 1500 mile trip. A zero balance is pretty sweet once you experience it
When I leave home it's generally for a trip a lot longer than that, but my ride is a GSA that generally carries an extra 15# of mud and even when clean isn't anywhere near as sleek or well-balanced as your bike. That might have something to do with our differing opinions. My bikes are both set up with perfect ergonomics for me, and in my experience that makes all the difference.

My bet is a rocket with a finely tuned suspension is a lot more susceptible to even minor imbalances. Yet I still think you should remove your saddle and make sure there's not a pea under there...
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The K60's I put on mine needed a lot of weights to balance. Make sure you pick up at least a couple ounces worth begorehand if you decide to change your own.
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When I leave home it's generally for a trip a lot longer than that, but my ride is a GSA that generally carries an extra 15# of mud and even when clean isn't anywhere near as sleek or well-balanced as your bike. That might have something to do with our differing opinions. My bikes are both set up with perfect ergonomics for me, and in my experience that makes all the difference.

My bet is a rocket with a finely tuned suspension is a lot more susceptible to even minor imbalances. Yet I still think you should remove your saddle and make sure there's not a pea under there...


My GSA runs flat and smooth too, except for the runout on the front rim. I do 85% street with mine. I usually log 500 miles a day on our winter hours. Lots of day trips to keep me from killing people that deathly need it

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Yes they are considerably stiferf more difficult to mount than any other tire I have encountered....but is not a problem for a dealer with a good mounting machine.

If you plan to ride at 60,70, 80 I would certainly recommend balancing. Who know the set of tire you buy may be perfect..but then again maybe not.
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Most dealer/indy shops won't mount tires you bought from somewhere else. It has nothing to do with brand or style.

They don't make anything on the tire sale and would need to charge to much to mount and balance them to get the profit margin back. It's all about the, Benjamin's

This.

There is no issue with mounting tires, just the dealer wanting to fleace you more.
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There is no issue with mounting tires, just the dealer wanting to fleace you more.

Yes Sir! They actually get mad when you ask them to mount tires you purchased elsewhere
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Google or Youtube changing motorcycle tires. There are a lot of methods. Balancing information is there too.

I think dealers are stupid. Someone walks in with their new tires and wheels and say go away. That is $40 $60 bucks in 30 minutes if they have the equipment.

Motorcycle Superstore has a list of installers.
http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com...Installer.aspx
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Yes Sir! They actually get mad when you ask them to mount tires you purchased elsewhere
I was under the gun to get my wifes tires changed on the bike I just got her, 2004 BMW F650GS, so I could have it ready for her to ride after she passed her MC test in October of last year. I took the tires to local dealer #1 who asked for my receipt for the tires in my hands. I said I bought them else where and was told that they do not install tires not purchased at the store. The next dealer said he would do them, in 8 days at a cost of $80.00 each tire. I changed them myself. It takes a while with no machine and the last time I changed a tire for a dual purpose bike was about 2007. Practice for my future bike when I figure out what it will be.
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