2013 Giant Loop

[snowhawk jockey]

Photos of Giant Loop on rally race bikes, from the Tuareg rally in Tunisia, taken by inmate JMo&piglet. She is on scene following the rally and writing reports for the Tuareg thread in Racing. www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=865985

This is a special edition Mojavi and it looks the part, on the back of Lukas M's Husaberg.

[OlafofOregon]

Originally Posted by snowhawk jockey

Photos of Giant Loop on rally race bikes, from the Tuareg rally in Tunisia, taken by inmate JMo&piglet. She is on scene following the rally and writing reports for the Tuareg thread in Racing. www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=865985

This is a special edition Mojavi and it looks the part, on the back of Lukas M's Husaberg.

Looks like Giant Loop rider #317 Jean-Luc Solans is doing well in the amateur class, also racing with a MoJavi Saddlebag!

[OlafofOregon]

Originally Posted by OlafofOregon

Looks like Giant Loop rider #317 Jean-Luc Solans is doing well in the amateur class, also racing with a MoJavi Saddlebag!

And #133 also racing with a MoJavi Saddlebag!

[snowhawk jockey]

#133 is Dirk Kessler.

Jean-Luc had his race stickers stuck on the side pockets of the Mojavi. I didn't recognize it at first until OlafofOregon confirmed the sighting!



Lukas M

[OlafofOregon]

Originally Posted by snowhawk jockey

Lukas M

Email today from Lukas:

"Just wanted to give you a quick update after returning from Tunisia yesterday. I fitted the Mojavi bag on day one and usually carried a 2 liter fuel bottle on one side, 1.5 liters of water on the other, along with some spares and tools distributed across the 3 pouches. I must have dropped / crashed the bike more than 100 times in total in the week of riding, and the Mojavi did not budge an inch, never needed re-tightening the straps and does not have any marks on it."

"I couldn't have been happier and honestly think it's the perfect addition for day trips and rally racing, as apparently did lots of other people that asked me about the bag. It's very nice to have be able to carry the fluids required by regulations, yet have such quick and easy access which means you can actually use them up ASAP to get rid of the weight, compared to a non-user friendly reservoir on the bash plate."

[sturgeon]

Originally Posted by snowhawk jockey

Siskiyou Pannier Measurements

12" Pannier front height
8" Pannier rear height
18.5" Pannier length
8" Pannier width
Lids 8.5" wide x 16" long

I'm confused. By my calculations, that comes to 1,480 in³ of volume, or just over 24 liters. The GL Web site says 35 liters. If you include the pocket on the end, that's 2 extra liters (or is it a pocket on each end for 4 liters?). Still doesn't add up to 35. Are these dimensions correct? If so, where does the extra space come from?

[Chris S]

I'm confused. By my calculations, that comes to 1,480 in³ of volume, or just over 24 liters

It's not an easy shape to measure but 24L is exactly the figure I just arrived at in reviewing them for my website - not including the pocket.
Definitely looks like less volume than my Magadans which are deeper and about the same volume when rolled right down, but that can be expanded as needs require.
Other than that, the new GLs look like a sturdy set of bags.
Great to have a growing choice of overland-ready soft bags.

[sturgeon]

Originally Posted by Chris S

It's not an easy shape to measure but 24L is exactly the figure I just arrived at in preparing a review for my website - not including the pocket.
Definitely looks like less volume than my Magadans which are about the same rolled right down, but that can be varied.
Other than that, a sturdy and stiff set of bags. More impressions in a day or two.
Great to have a growing choice of overland-ready soft bags.

Agreed on the choice. I'll be interested in hearing your thoughts on these, since I have yet to see them in person.

Dyslexics untie!

[toowheels]

Originally Posted by OlafofOregon

Email today from Lukas:

"Just wanted to give you a quick update after returning from Tunisia yesterday. I fitted the Mojavi bag on day one and usually carried a 2 liter fuel bottle on one side, 1.5 liters of water on the other, along with some spares and tools distributed across the 3 pouches. I must have dropped / crashed the bike more than 100 times in total in the week of riding, and the Mojavi did not budge an inch, never needed re-tightening the straps and does not have any marks on it."

"I couldn't have been happier and honestly think it's the perfect addition for day trips and rally racing, as apparently did lots of other people that asked me about the bag. It's very nice to have be able to carry the fluids required by regulations, yet have such quick and easy access which means you can actually use them up ASAP to get rid of the weight, compared to a non-user friendly reservoir on the bash plate."

Great to hear and even more awesome to see them being run in a Rally!

Dave

[toowheels]

Originally Posted by Chris S

It's not an easy shape to measure but 24L is exactly the figure I just arrived at in preparing a review for my website - not including the pocket.
Definitely looks like less volume than my Magadans which are about the same rolled right down, but that can be varied - or should I say, expanded.
Other than that, a sturdy and stiff set of bags. More impressions in a day or two.
Great to have a growing choice of overland-ready soft bags.

Interesting to see how the numbers work out. I never even measured them and I know they are noticeably bigger than the prototypes that were called the Kodiaks at 60L, that I ran last year.

I also know GL was doing the volume measurement by filling them with something (can't remember what) and then using that volume, but of course you'd expect it to come out the same. That is about the only way to get the volume of the MoJavi/Coyote/Great Basin since the shapes are so elaborate.

Also FYI the front pockets were designed to fit Touratech's 2L rectangular fuel bottles but I don't think that was part of the total volume. (Those also fit in the MoJavi side pockets ).

We do have them in Canada Sturgeon, but on the West Coast (and at some dealers too) but I think you're somewhere East though?

You're welcome to check them out of course...maybe a ride?

Dave

[sturgeon]

Originally Posted by toowheels

Interesting to see how the numbers work out. I never even measured them and I know they are noticeably bigger than the prototypes that were called the Kodiaks at 60L, that I ran last year.

I also know GL was doing the volume measurement by filling them with something (can't remember what) and then using that volume, but of course you'd expect it to come out the same. That is about the only way to get the volume of the MoJavi/Coyote/Great Basin since the shapes are so elaborate.

Also FYI the front pockets were designed to fit Touratech's 2L rectangular fuel bottles but I don't think that was part of the total volume. (Those also fit in the MoJavi side pockets ).

We do have them in Canada Sturgeon, but on the West Coast (and at some dealers too) but I think you're somewhere East though?

You're welcome to check them out of course...maybe a ride?

Dave

Yeah, thanks for the invite, but it's still a bit 'white' here in Ont to ride to BC. :cool:

I'll see them soon enough locally. Just curious about the actual volume.



Dyslexics untie!

[OlafofOregon]

Originally Posted by sturgeon

I'm confused. By my calculations, that comes to 1,480 in³ of volume, or just over 24 liters. The GL Web site says 35 liters. If you include the pocket on the end, that's 2 extra liters (or is it a pocket on each end for 4 liters?). Still doesn't add up to 35. Are these dimensions correct? If so, where does the extra space come from?

Giant Loop's Siskiyou Panniers are not rigid metal boxes. They bulge and expand in three dimensions. We measure packable/usable volume, using our super scientific fill-bag-with-dried-pinto-beans-in-2-liter-measuring-cup method.

Here are 35 liters of beans in one side of the Siskiyou Panniers. It seems to be human nature that we all tend to fill our luggage to its maximum capacity, so we count space under the lid, the bulge in the side, etc. In this pic the beans are about 1.5 inches above the top of the zippered "collar" under the lid = 35 liters of packable/usable space (without including the pocket).

[OlafofOregon]

Originally Posted by Chris S

It's not an easy shape to measure but 24L is exactly the figure I just arrived at in reviewing them for my website - not including the pocket.
Definitely looks like less volume than my Magadans which are deeper and about the same volume when rolled right down, but that can be expanded as needs require.
Other than that, the new GLs look like a sturdy set of bags.
Great to have a growing choice of overland-ready soft bags.

I understand the logic of your volume calculations here, but soft luggage is not a rigid solid object. We measure packable/usable volume.

We look forward to getting your feedback after you've had the chance to pack them up and ride with the Siskiyou Panniers!

[Chris S]

A bit slick but I accept your explanation on how you came up with 35L and speculated that was your method in my review. A shaped bag's volume can be optimised ;-). I'll try the beans trick on my Magadans one of these days.

[sturgeon]

Originally Posted by OlafofOregon

Giant Loop's Siskiyou Panniers are not rigid metal boxes. They bulge and expand in three dimensions. We measure packable/usable volume, using our super scientific fill-bag-with-dried-pinto-beans-in-2-liter-measuring-cup method.

Here are 35 liters of beans in one side of the Siskiyou Panniers. It seems to be human nature that we all tend to fill our luggage to its maximum capacity, so we count space under the lid, the bulge in the side, etc. In this pic the beans are about 1.5 inches above the top of the zippered "collar" under the lid = 35 liters of packable/usable space (without including the pocket).

Did you happen to measure the max width when they were stuffed?

Dyslexics untie!