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Old 01-16-2013, 06:57 PM   #61
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Boxster/Cayman of any spec. and of any given year handle beautifully. The later model/higher spec. ones get faster and faster.

Any year WRX is a very quick car and a good autocrosser - powerful w/ lots of grip. Late model/modified ones can be very fast. BUT - I've never heard anyone say that they handle better than the Porshes.

In the last few years my '01 base Boxster and I have been beaten by more than a couple of WRX's at autocross and I have managed to be quicker than a couple of others. One highly modified late model WRX (street legal/drives there) that comes out to play is very quick and took FTD once. A Subaru '06 STI was FTD once. However, a highly modified but street legal (drives there) '00 Boxster has been FTD several times at those same events. The other multiple FTD car is a '74 914 (w/ 3.4 6cyl. - comes on a trailer). An '09 Z06 Vette (comes IN a trailer) has taken FTD twice in the last couple of years as has a supercharged Miata (w/ plate - drives there). My best ever was 4th quickest (my car is near stock). Confused yet?

Which is the "better" car - I dunno, which one winds you up? Porsches (and a couple of others) wind me up.

If you haven't been to an autocross, try it. It's a very good way to have cheap legal fun pushing you and your car at safe speeds. It's also quite effective way to have your preconceptions and ego meet reality.

Back to the Subaru discussion.
Yabbut what lap times does your Boxster run at Summit Point or VIR? Please don't tell us you've only done parking lot circle jerks.
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:35 PM   #62
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Yabbut what lap times does your Boxster run at Summit Point or VIR? Please don't tell us you've only done parking lot circle jerks.
I know this wasn't meant to be a Subaru vs Porsche thread, but really - who cares what is better on a track? I smoked 150 + hp motorcycles at Mid-Ohio while riding a 53 HP Husky 610 SM. Conversely, when I used to track a 2005 R6 I got smoked by someone on an SV-650. The car doesn't really matter as much in those environments as does the operator.

I owned a 2006 WRX. While mine was a bad example that got repurchased, I know they are good cars. The current generation is that much better. But I don't aspire to own one. I very much aspire to own a Boxter one day. Believe it or not, there may come a day when I sell the yellow beast I currently own with twice the horsepower of a current gen Boxter S to get so much slower of a car. Some may not understand why I would or sell something that was somewhat limited in production for a "run of the mill" Porsche that will certainly never be worth anything. I just happen to think it's a great overall package. I'd like to have one some day. The WRX - while a fantastic car in it's own right - to me felt like the equivalent of owning a metric cruiser in lieu of a Harley. It did everything it was supposed to and was quite competent, but it lacked excitement and did not provide the look, feel, and sound I wanted.

Of course I may be a bit biased - I grew up with the growl of a flat 6 and the smell of horsehair padded seats, and later worked for them for a few years
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:44 PM   #63
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I know this wasn't meant to be a Subaru vs Porsche thread, but really - who cares what is better on a track? I smoked 150 + hp motorcycles at Mid-Ohio while riding a 53 HP Husky 610 SM. Conversely, when I used to track a 2005 R6 I got smoked by someone on an SV-650. The car doesn't really matter as much in those environments as does the operator.

I owned a 2006 WRX. While mine was a bad example that got repurchased, I know they are good cars. The current generation is that much better. But I don't aspire to own one. I very much aspire to own a Boxter one day. Believe it or not, there may come a day when I sell the yellow beast I currently own with twice the horsepower of a current gen Boxter S to get so much slower of a car. Some may not understand why I would or sell something that was somewhat limited in production for a "run of the mill" Porsche that will certainly never be worth anything. I just happen to think it's a great overall package. I'd like to have one some day. The WRX - while a fantastic car in it's own right - to me felt like the equivalent of owning a metric cruiser in lieu of a Harley. It did everything it was supposed to and was quite competent, but it lacked excitement and did not provide the look, feel, and sound I wanted.

Of course I may be a bit biased - I grew up with the growl of a flat 6 and the smell of horsehair padded seats, and later worked for them for a few years
Mind if I ask what you have now?
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:47 PM   #64
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Old 01-16-2013, 08:10 PM   #65
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Full(of himself)Monte - that's right, only parking lot circle jerks with my gay hairdresser Boxster driving friends and a few other girls.

The Spec Boxster class (these are lightly modified 2.5 liter Boxsters of the oldest, slowest variety) lap record at VIR is 2:16.5 Please let us know where we can see your lap times that are quicker than that in any car. I assume by your attitude you have been there and done that.
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Old 01-16-2013, 08:43 PM   #66
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Full(of himself)Monte - that's right, only parking lot circle jerks with my gay hairdresser Boxster driving friends and a few other girls.

The Spec Boxster class (these are lightly modified 2.5 liter Boxsters of the oldest, slowest variety) lap record at VIR is 2:16.5 Please let us know where we can see your lap times that are quicker than that in any car. I assume by your attitude you have been there and done that.
Oops, must've touched a nerve. I drove about 3500 miles at different tracks in the mid 1990s in a 90hp '86 Civic si with over 100k miles on the odo. It never broke, unlike some exotica that did in spectacular fashion. In my late 20's I got into motorcycles and realized track days were much more fun (everything happens faster)on sport bikes than in cars. I would love to take a BRZ for a session around Road Atlanta or Barber. Finally, a proper sportscar that's reasonably priced.
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Old 01-16-2013, 09:29 PM   #67
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So Monty, please post your lap times vs. spec boxster record at any track you have been to w/ car or bike. I am genuinely interested.

Just as a data point, I bought my boxster for $15k 4 years ago. It had 40k miles then and has 64k miles now. It's had oil changes, spark plugs, a rear main seal and some farkles. Very reasonable cost-to-own.
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:58 AM   #68
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/ FTD twice in the last couple of years as has a supercharged Miata (w/ plate - drives there)./.
I rode in a supercharged Miata with R spec tires at one of the "high speed" autocrosses they hold at a local airport - 1.3 mile run. It was the quickest autox car I've ever been in. He had a little trailer and drove it to events with his tires on the trailer.

But FTD was an Ariel Atom.....

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Yabbut what lap times does your Boxster run at Summit Point or VIR? Please don't tell us you've only done parking lot circle jerks.
Ever tried one? Ever done a motorcycle track day? Just curious what your background is.
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Old 01-17-2013, 06:42 AM   #69
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So Monty, please post your lap times vs. spec boxster record at any track you have been to w/ car or bike. I am genuinely interested.

Just as a data point, I bought my boxster for $15k 4 years ago. It had 40k miles then and has 64k miles now. It's had oil changes, spark plugs, a rear main seal and some farkles. Very reasonable cost-to-own.
The 90hp shitbox Civic hatch would run 1:42s at Summit Point on take off Bridgestone street tires I bought used. When you're fresh out of college and just starting out, you get by with whatever you can afford to feed the track addiction. By the time Harvey Siegel resurrected VIR (spring of 2000),I had lost interest in cars and gotten into sport bikes. The wife clocked me on the RC51 at 2:17 at VIR on a crowded full course at a Cornerspeed track day. The AMA and WERA expert guys left me for dead though. Following Lee Acree was a real eye opener . Good for you on the positive Boxster ownership experience. You ought to do some track days with it if they will allow convertibles without a race spec roll bar. Back to the BRZ discussion.
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Old 01-17-2013, 08:14 AM   #70
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The 90hp shitbox Civic hatch would run 1:42s at Summit Point on take off Bridgestone street tires I bought used. When you're fresh out of college and just starting out, you get by with whatever you can afford to feed the track addiction. By the time Harvey Siegel resurrected VIR (spring of 2000),I had lost interest in cars and gotten into sport bikes. The wife clocked me on the RC51 at 2:17 at VIR on a crowded full course at a Cornerspeed track day. The AMA and WERA expert guys left me for dead though. Following Lee Acree was a real eye opener . Good for you on the positive Boxster ownership experience. You ought to do some track days with it if they will allow convertibles without a race spec roll bar. Back to the BRZ discussion.

still love my car. I have not really been paying attention to break in, just driving it at various rpm to seat the rings. No long highway slogs, only once did I get it close to redline. I was racing a Boxster :loll

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Oops, must've touched a nerve. I drove about 3500 miles at different tracks in the mid 1990s in a 90hp '86 Civic si with over 100k miles on the odo. It never broke, unlike some exotica that did in spectacular fashion. In my late 20's I got into motorcycles and realized track days were much more fun (everything happens faster)on sport bikes than in cars. I would love to take a BRZ for a session around Road Atlanta or Barber. Finally, a proper sportscar that's reasonably priced.

So...based on your experiences in a slow, FWD hatchback, you've decided motorcycles are more fun on the track?
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Walking into work tonight saw a Blue Suby in the garage. I haven't had the chance to view them up close till now. Have to say you bought a nice looking vehicle.
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Walking into work tonight saw a Blue Suby in the garage. I haven't had the chance to view them up close till now. Have to say you bought a nice looking vehicle.



thank you, kind sir.

Just filled up the tank, not exactly taking it easy, not redlining either :loll, and got 27.6 mpg first tank.

I do not like the touch sound system. I like tactile buttons. My only complaint thus far

Oh, and the motor at idle sounds like an Impreza. Sounds much better when I get on it.

Only other issue: my dog REFUSES to get in the new car. I think I mentioned it before, he got in the first few days, then Saturday we went down the trail and took my old car, HIS car. Since then, he won't set foot in the new car. Not even with treats. To be fair, he refuses to get in anybody else's car either, but I figured he got in my car because of me. Well, he lets me drive off without him, although he is quite bummed when I get back. Where is Cesar Milan when you need him?
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thank you, kind sir.

Just filled up the tank, not exactly taking it easy, not redlining either :loll, and got 27.6 mpg first tank.

I do not like the touch sound system. I like tactile buttons. My only complaint thus far

Oh, and the motor at idle sounds like an Impreza. Sounds much better when I get on it.

Only other issue: my dog REFUSES to get in the new car. I think I mentioned it before, he got in the first few days, then Saturday we went down the trail and took my old car, HIS car. Since then, he won't set foot in the new car. Not even with treats. To be fair, he refuses to get in anybody else's car either, but I figured he got in my car because of me. Well, he lets me drive off without him, although he is quite bummed when I get back. Where is Cesar Milan when you need him?
Surprising. My dogs love going places so much they wouldn't refuse a ride in anything. Two of them used to ride in my old sidecar rig.

Keep at it, he'll get used to the new ride.
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