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Old 01-13-2013, 07:37 AM   #16
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If the diesel we're talking about is something like my 7.3 PSD, than yes, I agree. In the winter I have to have it plugged- it starts without no problem unplugged but takes forever to warm the 15+ litres of oil. However, modern diesels take little to warm up, and even though the commute is only 10km one way, the weekend trips will add up.

The van will be kept for transcontinental trips when we need tons of room, but otherwise we still need something that she likes to drive daily, and I can enjoy driving it on weekends.

Three more days... then let the test drives begin

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There were some posts I saw about even modern TDI's not being able to fully warm up in -29C so if it gets really cold there that might be a concern.
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Old 01-13-2013, 07:38 AM   #17
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GTI would be my vote, fun to zip around in and once on the highway I can set cruise and get 32mpg.

I'd also check out the Mini countryman s all 4 if it's in your price range, seen a few around here and really like them.
Thanks- 32mpg at what speed, loaded or not? I can't help but laugh- I must be getting old given that I wonder about a GTI and weight

Don't think that the Countryman is in our budget- trying to stay around 20k (prices for Canada).

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Old 01-13-2013, 07:42 AM   #18
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There were some posts I saw about even modern TDI's not being able to fully warm up in -29C so if it gets really cold there that might be a concern.
I wonder what would be the difference between a TDI and GTI's 2.0, from a wear perspective, in those conditions?I hope I won't get to see those temps, perhaps with wind-chill, too often.

The way I look at it, I'd plug either car, diesel or not at those temps, and probably neither would get up to operating temps in 10 km. Any thoughts on this? Damn internets, I used to worry less in the past

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Old 01-13-2013, 07:46 AM   #19
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I had a C30 and the suspension set up seemed really soft.
I had a TDI wagon and it was a great car.
I'd go for the GTI if you do mostly short trips.
The TDI I would often drive the long way to get it to operating temp.
Short trips GTI...TDI for 30 minute + drives.
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Old 01-13-2013, 07:47 AM   #20
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However, modern diesels take little to warm up, and even though the commute is only 10km one way, the weekend trips will add up.
Not the TDI. There's a reason so many of them come with heated seats. I can't speak specifically for the current version, but on my '05 on a 15 degree morning it was usually 3 miles of driving on steep hills (more load and quicker heat generation) before the temperature gauge even started to move. The efficiency of the TDI combined with the lower heat value of diesel fuel in general makes for a long warm up. 10 km is 6 miles - neither the engine, nor the cabin, nor the driver are going to get up to operating temperature on a cold morning
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Old 01-13-2013, 08:19 AM   #21
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The efficiency of the TDI combined with the lower heat value of diesel fuel in general makes for a long warm up. 10 km is 6 miles - neither the engine, nor the cabin, nor the driver are going to get up to operating temperature on a cold morning


So true- but would a diesel engine be adversely affected by this? Assuming being plugged in.

Some math:

Price wise, close enough.
Fuel mileage based on internets:
- GTI- average 27mpg
- SW TDI- average 38mpg
- C30- average 26mpg
- A3 gas- average 25mpg (A3 TDI - unobtainable yet)


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Old 01-13-2013, 08:44 AM   #22
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Isn't VW moving to electric heaters with the TDI's?
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Old 01-13-2013, 08:51 AM   #23
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Buy a new Focus for what you'd pay for a year-old, used euro car.

order it however you want, around here you can get an SE with a manual, sport suspension and heated seats.
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:18 AM   #24
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So true- but would a diesel engine be adversely affected by this? Assuming being plugged in.

Some math:

Price wise, close enough.
Fuel mileage based on internets:
- GTI- average 27mpg
- SW TDI- average 38mpg
- C30- average 26mpg
- A3 gas- average 25mpg (A3 TDI - unobtainable yet)


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Plugging in would be the answer, for both the car and the driver. However, that too is energy consumption.

I still hold on to the idea that a TDI is a fantastic car, and have thought about buying another one some day. But I don't have a long commute anymore and a Chevy Volt would really be more conducive to my drive cycles today. We really did enjoy our TDI, and it was pretty reliable. But it thrives in long distance driving, and has the potential to suffer in short trip cold weather driving. The answer to the TDI question really should be answered by the kind of driving you intend to do. Remember, you can obtain relatively the same driving experience in the gas equivalent, though power delivery will be different.
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Old 01-13-2013, 11:18 AM   #25
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Not sure how tall you and your wife are, but the GTI/Jetta rear seat is not a slam dunk for a baby seat if you are tall. We got a GTI four years ago when my daughter was in a forward facing child seat, and she didn't fit well when her legs got longer. But once she moved to a booster it wasn't bad.

However, the Passat has been better......we're picking up another Passat wagon next week.

ps-FWIW, we've had great luck with the GTI. One warranty stop in 4.5 years for seized cooling fan, not a single check engine light, and 28mpg average for 45,000 miles.

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Old 01-13-2013, 12:53 PM   #26
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I have a 2011 GTI 6 speed manual that we've had just over a year now with 16k miles on it. Talk about fun, my wife and I actually fight over who drives it. It was originally bought to be the family ride for short overnight trips around California. Our kids got too big to fit in the back of her convertible and my 4runner and current gas prices was starting to make less sense. The GTI easily fits one large and one small suit case in the trunk. The back seat area is large for a small car. I have two kids, one 11 and the other is 9, they travel just fine in the GTI.

Back in August my wife took a job in Germany so we shipped the GTI and convertible and now it is our sole touring car. We go to Italy once a month to visit family. It's about 450 miles one way from were we live and GTI does great. I no longer get the good gas mileage we got back in Cali, but talk about fun on the autobahn. So far we have traveled to the Netherlands, Italy, Austria, and around Germany. This weekend we are headed to Switzerland for boy scouts. The rest of western Europe is in the planning for the GTI. The only thing I've done to the GTI is add a set of snow tires, no issues whatsoever. Since we no longer have the maintenance plan (Stateside only), I've taken to changing the oil myself. Even this is no big issue.

Here in Germany the Golf/GTI is a dime a dozen which I actually like because it helps us to blend in when traveling. As an american living in Europe we don't want to stand out.

As far as buying a diesel, I wouldn't hesitate. The vast majority of cars over here are diesel. I see tons of GTD/Golf diesel and the golf wagen (jetta stateside).

This is my two cents and I'm glad I bought the GTI. It's a fine little car and my doesn't get a break in my household, it's on the autobahn everyday and we have no plans of selling it. We still have three years left on our tour before we bring it back to Cali, it definately will have high mileage by then.

Oh yeah, I may be wrong but the GTI is the only car to win Automobile magazine car of the year twice!
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Old 01-13-2013, 01:57 PM   #27
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Damn, these threads are killing me

I need to buy a new car this year and I've settled on the GTi until the next thread on the JSW. And now the rumored GTD and of course the Golf MKVII in 2014.

VW doesn't help. They're offering 0% on all models.
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Old 01-13-2013, 01:57 PM   #28
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I've got a '10 GTI automatic.
Love it.
No real issues at all.
It had a few warranty issue that can be common but they were all fixed.
Fun car to drive and everyone wants to drive it :)
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Old 01-13-2013, 02:00 PM   #29
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Here in Germany the Golf/GTI is a dime a dozen which I actually like because it helps us to blend in when traveling. As an american living in Europe we don't want to stand out.
How do you handle a license plate and insurance? My USA vanity plate was a magnet on my bike when we lived in Italy.
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Old 01-13-2013, 02:23 PM   #30
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How do you handle a license plate and insurance? My USA vanity plate was a magnet on my bike when we lived in Italy.
My wife works for the DOD (Department of Defense) so we are supported by the U.S. Army. Under current SOFA (Status of Forces Agreement) rules, we are issued the same plates that the local town uses. Italy has the same rule, all service members have the Italian tags. I have the same insurance provider (USAA) that I had in the states, they support Retired and Active service members around the world. I remember the days of the american vanity tags, not so anymore. When were you over here? I was stationed in Vicenza from 1990-94.
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