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Old 06-12-2013, 10:17 AM   #286
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What a great idea and a niche that needs to be filled

I bought a first round Cannondale (still have it)

First round BMW 450

And would jump all over one of these....

I LOVE a company that asks and listens for input, and from reading this thread all of the concerns are being met

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Old 06-12-2013, 03:51 PM   #287
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...so in conclusion I don't think the F800GS is a fair price comparison. As my mom always told me, you get what you pay for. We are asking for a lot, so we may have to pay a lot.
i have no beef with the 800 gs at all
its a nice bike for sure

what i cant figure after five years they have brought out the 800 adventure

the new adventure bike is near to 30kgms heavier fully fueled than the original and a lot more money to buy

my point is to wear the adventure tag ...surely it should be 30kgms lighter ??

i think it would cost a huge amount more to make it lighter and is not neccasarry to sell it its simply following the trend for adventure bikes for the majority with little added cost to the manufacture ..it now weighs more than the original 1200gs ??

..just a few bolt ons and a bigger tank in effect


prices in uk just announced uk pounds

800ADV 9045 + , LED spots, heated grips, LED indicators, Alarm, centre stand makes it 10,783

800ADV T 9,930 (the T is for travel apparently) + ESA, LED indicators, Alarm makes it 11,253


the ccm is bucking the trend here ..and im sure all the guys on this thread are glad of it ..as without them the market is going in the opposite direction for sure
the travel version coming in at a not inconsiderable 3.258 pounds more than the ccm ...coming in at around 78kgms heavier and 5000 dollers more
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Old 06-13-2013, 10:33 AM   #288
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... I could possibly see a lot of 'pre production' components downgraded to meet a certain price point.
Top shelf bling and price pointing do not necessarily go hand in hand.
With the type of bike this is, and the package of parts AND light weight, I see the final pricing being no different than a KTM.

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And that is exactly what I don’t want to see.

If I want KLR quality, I will buy KLR - we already have that on the market.

What we don’t have is a light adventure motorcycle with EFI, six speed wide ratio gearbox, decent alternator output and high quality suspension
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If that is british pound thats works out to $12,528 US dollars.
Or is that euro (?), which would be roughly $10,625 US.
FWIW I think this bike is going to be much sweeter than any KTM out there and I expect it to cost more.
I absolutely agree BCCA - there's plenty of lower quality bikes out there.

I know we all don't see eye to eye on this issue... I'm sure there will be many putting pressure on CCM to beat a certain price point but if I may, here's my perspective...
As an American living in Malaysia for 8 years or so, I was surprised that so many locals could afford bikes when the per capita income here is about 1/2 the USA and bikes are cost about double. My initial thinking was Malaysians are paying 4X as high a percentage of their income as an American for their bike(s). BUT now that I've been here a while I realize they probably pay 1/2 as much percentage of their income on their bikes PER MILE as the average American - advriders being a notable exception from "average."

I remember seeing comments on the CRF250L thread before it was released such as, "If it doesn't come in under $4,500 it's not getting MY hard earned income." And yet in some cases, the guy that said that had a GS, a 200EXC, DR400 and WR450 already in the stable. One guy actually made the point that that was why Honda had to make it cheap - becasue he already had so many bikes in the stable.

Many times, adding 50% to the cost of the bike would make said bike last 4X longer, and cover more roles at the same time. My appeal, is that in those cases spending more $ is really spending less.

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Old 06-13-2013, 02:28 PM   #289
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If they can deliver the wide ratio 6 speed tranny as an option with this bike, it would be the ONLY bike right now that I would consider selling my 07 Husky TE610 for. This just seems like it could be the "perfect" adventure bike (for me anyway). Hope it comes to Canada, if it does, put me on the list.

PS. Sometimes what doesn't come to USA, will come to Canada (British roots you know) so keep that hope alive as a viable option. Alot cheaper for you Americans than importing from Europe.

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Old 06-14-2013, 10:40 AM   #290
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I saw it in a motorcycle magazine yesterday and they stated a price of 7,995.

I cannot remember if that was Euros or GBP. If I see the magazine again I'll post a picture of the page.

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Old 06-14-2013, 01:42 PM   #291
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I saw it in a motorcycle magazine yesterday and they stated a price of 7,995.

I cannot remember if that was Euros or GBP. If I see the magazine again I'll post a picture of the page.

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It was GBP...

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Ne...dventure-bike/

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Old 06-14-2013, 04:26 PM   #292
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If there really will be larger gas tanks available from the factory along with FI and a six speed wide ratio trans then this bike will merit serious consideration from me when I go looking for a smaller, less street oriented bike. It sounds like it could really be almost perfect. Ride 100 miles of highway to the cabin, drop off my camping stuff and go play in the state forest, then load up again and go further north to play in the national forest. Yeah, that sounds great to me, and it seems like it would be fairly easy to take longer trips on it if I so desire.
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Old 06-15-2013, 10:04 AM   #293
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re fuel tanks ... they have mentioned in some of the literature that larger tanks will be available as an optional extra, if 17 litres isnt enough. They have also mentioned they want to race it in the Dakar ... for which they will need about 30 litres. So its reasonable to assume the larger tanks that are likely to be available for it will give you about 30 litres.

I am sure the OP, KTM Mitch, would be able to shed more light on that aspect of the development ....

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Old 06-15-2013, 01:30 PM   #294
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Yeah, KTM Mitch, spill the beans, I know you are watching :)
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Old 06-17-2013, 03:29 AM   #295
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Just received an email from CCM offering test rides through July for interested buyers in the UK. Let us know how it rides guys.
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Old 06-17-2013, 08:05 AM   #296
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-I am also looking to buy one of these and may put my deposit down this week - I have been talking to ccm and am so far very impressed, the bike will have limitations fair enough but should be a great travel bike and probably quite a good everyday jump on and use it machine - I cant do the test ride even though I am only a few hours from the factory as am still recovering from an injury. I prefer easy to work on and repair bikes so am waiting feedback on issues like the electrics (standard or can bus electrics ? , parts and engine supply / replacement queries should things go wrong, engine service work and repair - how easy for access to major bits etc and a bit feedback on the riding under load with soft luggage, tent - and some feedback on its maximum safe higher cruising speed ability / tarmac road feel.
I realise there are lots of ifs whats and whens with the bike but CCM seem to me to be putting themselves right out in the open with this bike - visits to the factory, test rides and a pretty good go at letting potential buyers have some input - that's a big call for a really small company with limited staff and resources. I think CCM will need some hard cash deposits and some positive feedback from the ride outs they seem confident on both those points.

On this thread a lot of people want a lot of different things that's fine to be critical but they have tried to hit somewhere near the centre of a very limited marketplace a lightweight real world usable adventure bike - ( how we define that seems very different - to me its a bike capable of being ridden well on the road or on a gravel track, be managable through the dirt, cross small obstacles , carry luggage and be easy to work on reliable and comfortable - so not an enduro bike then - some comments on this thread seem to want a pure short run off road/ forest bike - is that really an adventure bike ?) I hope the ride outs work out well and the feedback is good.
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Old 06-17-2013, 12:14 PM   #297
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hi its a pity you cant get to the rideout ... im waiting for a date
press dates start on or before 1st of july ..so info will start flowing
pretty soon
... im confident this bike will be a good off road propersition

it is though built around a high tech enduro engine .. and im not sure that ease of maintainace will be its strong point

less stressed g450x engines have given up some decent road miles
in isolated cases .. 17000km and 20000 miles with no major teardowns being two examples i have found
i think the problem with a g450x is most have been plugged to 52hp and ridden very hard ...which is after all its first intended use

there is very little recorded usage of this engine under what most people would reasonably call normal everyday use

so its a tough one to call ..long term

i cant believe that this aspect hasnt been considered carefully ..clearly a 5000 mile service interval with a manufacures warranty
indicates faith in the engine ..most adv riders will clock this milage in fairly short order i would think

there is little doubt though that it will be a entertainer .. so fingers crossed it is over engineered for more modest use ..


i found this post recently which was done on 15/ 45gearing which gave me some insight into the motors potential
th oil change comment at the end is still ..a puzzle to me .given the new service interval on the ccm though ..i undertand now that there will be no auxilery tank ..??

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Okay, lame post here, but I just had to share. My 450 is still in Indianapolis and I plan on moving it out to Arizona were it really belongs, this fall. So in the meantime, I have been riding it around town with dual purpose tires on it harassing all the SUV's, especially the BMW ones! So my friend on his new Huski Terra 650 challenges me to go on a long ride with him on gnarly back roads, gravel and dirt down to the Ohio river and back. Challenging me by saying that I would never make it. My butt would break. The torque limiter would explode. I'd have to stop and change the oil half way through and that I would definitely run out of gas!

He is a good rider and was basically joking. Anyway, wow, we left at 7am and made it back 7pm. 450 miles on my odometer. Average moving speed, 51.5mph. Top speed recorded 97mph (some asshole in a Cummings diesel wouldn't let us pass him on this small country road) I never knew those things were so fast! I rode in the normal lower power setting and on one stint, got 115 miles to a tank. (185k's Dom!)

My friend and I are regular track day riders on our sport bikes and he couldn't believe how good the 450 was on tight twisty asphalt roads. To the point were his suspension on that big Terra was getting overwhelmed trying to keep up with me.

Anyway, I really really enjoyed riding that thing on the road like a adventure bike and just had to share. The only thing that hurt, yes, my butt. But not bad actually. Just tired towards the end. Hell after 10 hours what seat would feel that good? Now today, I will change the oil!

Thanks for all your advice Tim, I always read your posts. Dom, have a beer with Lindsay down there in Grahamstown for me.

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Old 06-17-2013, 01:02 PM   #298
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less stressed g450x engines have given up some decent road miles
in isolated cases .. 17000km and 20000 miles with no major teardowns being two examples i have found
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Just posted in the G450X thread: 32,000 miles (599 hours)

There's so much talk in this thread about the transmission, and very little about the 10-hour recommended oil changes. This 450 is a high-performance enduro engine. Has there been mention of what CCM have done to address this, if anything? (Sorry if it's mentioned in here already. I joined the thread early, but it got big, very fast.)
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Old 06-17-2013, 01:08 PM   #299
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I really like the flexibility of changing front (countershaft) sprockets to easily change gear ratios, depending on where I'm going on any particular trip. The lack of this easy flexibility on this bike is really troubling. A very small thing, I know, but it has major ramifications for me.

The co-axial CS / swing arm pivot was an Enduro race concept in the original BMW engine / frame design. I my opinion, it hurts this bike's intended performance envelope, rather than helping it.

Without a factory installed, wide-ratio, 6-speed transmission, this bike is not looking like it will meet my expectations. I'm willing to wait and see, since I can't afford a new bike at the moment, but I will never buy a new bike with the need to split the cases for an essential upgrade (5-sp to 6-sp).

To CCM: If you please, we need the Primary gear ratios as well as the internal ratios for each gear to properly evaluate gearing. TIA.
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Just posted in the G450X thread: 32,000 miles (599 hours)

There's so much talk in this thread about the transmission, and very little about the 10-hour recommended oil changes. This 450 is a high-performance enduro engine. Has there been mention of what CCM have done to address this, if anything? (Sorry if it's mentioned in here already. I joined the thread early, but it got big, very fast.)
I can't remember the details... I'm sure someone else will chime in, but it does have an external oil resevoir, increased oil capacity and they have the service intervals at 8,000 KM.

That's an impressive amount of miles (as well as a impressive "overall speed average!)
Did that include a rebuild... did you do anything to increase the oil capacity?
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