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Old 07-26-2013, 01:33 AM   #361
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On the release of the 390's, KTM did say there would be a touring adv type model early next year. What that means exactly who knows?
The price of the Duke 390 in India is a little over 2000 (4500 in the UK). So if a 390 adventure is built in India, KTM will make big money - IF it's got good mpg and it's reliable.l It could easily become the bike of choice for many in India.

Now back to our feature presentation.

I'm not too keen on the quoted mpg figures for the CCM. I get 70mpg from my KTM 690 Enduro, I had expected similar or better from the 450

I wish Honda would get into this market.
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Old 07-26-2013, 01:39 AM   #362
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The price of the Duke 390 in India is a little over 2000 (4500 in the UK). So if a 390 adventure is built in India, KTM will make big money - IF it's got good mpg and it's reliable.l It could easily become the bike of choice for many in India.

Now back to our feature presentation.

I'm not too keen on the quoted mpg figures for the CCM. I get 70mpg from my KTM 690 Enduro, I had expected similar or better from the 450

I wish Honda would get into this market.
I am assuming that your 70mpg is referring to the UK mpg formula. Is this the case?
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Old 07-26-2013, 03:02 AM   #363
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I am assuming that your 70mpg is referring to the UK mpg formula. Is this the case?
That's UK (Imperial) gallons. Perhaps I should have said 'I got' 70mpg. Since I did the calculations I've added extra fuel tanks and luggage racks so the weight has gone up, so It's probably not as good now. I'm assuming that the 52mpg CCM claims is a UK mpg figure.
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Old 07-26-2013, 09:32 AM   #364
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I'd say 70mpg is a touch optimistic for any bike of this nature. I was riding a CB500X on the weekend and that was only getting 65mpg on a run. And that's pinned as an economical motor. Equally I was on the new 800 GSA, and that was only getting a touch over 50mpg on a decent speed motorway run (low miles on it mind). What the CCM will do in reality is still to be determined. I'd wager on a 200 mile range, a touch more, which in my book is enough.
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Old 07-26-2013, 01:57 PM   #365
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its us gallons

ccm quotes 22.2 kms /litre which is around 62mpg uk and 52 us
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Old 07-28-2013, 08:39 PM   #366
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I just got a mail from Alice Flook at CCM...
Test ride booked for the 13th August.
Looking forward to it.
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Old 07-29-2013, 02:42 AM   #367
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its us gallons

ccm quotes 22.2 kms /litre which is around 62mpg uk and 52 us
They should tell us this on their website, to avoid confusion.
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Old 07-29-2013, 12:29 PM   #368
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They should tell us this on their website, to avoid confusion.
in fairness ..if you download the broshure its in there
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Old 07-30-2013, 10:13 PM   #369
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Question 650 X-challenge vs CCM 450??

After reading through heaps of great info and opinions, I hear a lot of people seem to be asking for wide range gearing and more comfort. The 650x is 140kg dry, slightly heavier but that can be reduced with a different pipe and other weight dropping mods. Its a beast on the road, meaning comfortable and high speed is no issue with long service intervals. The fuel tank is small, that's the weakness, but fuel economy high. Slap on a spare tank or carry a bit of spare fuel and you're away. What am I missing here? Even a book has been written on how to convert the 650x to an adv bike, and hard-enduro or not, its 'manageable' on the trails and no issues on EVERYTHING else.

Someone with more experience and more engineering prowess please put me in my place??
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Old 07-30-2013, 11:18 PM   #370
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After reading through heaps of great info and opinions, I hear a lot of people seem to be asking for wide range gearing and more comfort. The 650x is 140kg dry, slightly heavier but that can be reduced with a different pipe and other weight dropping mods. Its a beast on the road, meaning comfortable and high speed is no issue with long service intervals. The fuel tank is small, that's the weakness, but fuel economy high. Slap on a spare tank or carry a bit of spare fuel and you're away. What am I missing here? Even a book has been written on how to convert the 650x to an adv bike, and hard-enduro or not, its 'manageable' on the trails and no issues on EVERYTHING else.

Someone with more experience and more engineering prowess please put me in my place??
Excuse me if I am wrong ,but the 650x isnt made any more.
I would have liked to seen the CCM built with the 650x or a 650 motor.
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Old 07-31-2013, 12:11 AM   #371
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Excuse me if I am wrong ,but the 650x isnt made any more.
I would have liked to seen the CCM built with the 650x or a 650 motor.
Absolutely right Phil, no longer made sadly. But for those of us who have one...I'd like to know how they compare with the CCM 450. I think is only marginally lighter, not as good as a adv tourer and RTW bike, but possibly more 'flickable' on trails due to being slightly lighter? It may also have better fuel range due to larger tank, but this can be fixed on the 650x. I read through most of the thread, and there was a BRIEF mention of the x, but mostly comparisons stayed with the 450x, since the engine size is the same. The 450x and 650x are very different bikes, however. Perhaps its unfair to compare the 650x and the CCM450, but they appeal to the same market IMHO.
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Old 07-31-2013, 03:07 AM   #372
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Excuse me if I am wrong ,but the 650x isnt made any more.
I would have liked to seen the CCM built with the 650x or a 650 motor.
Just noticed you are also in NZ. Any chance you are north? Great rides up this way
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Old 07-31-2013, 03:21 AM   #373
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Just noticed you are also in NZ. Any chance you are north? Great rides up this way
Yep, from the "Naki"
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Old 07-31-2013, 03:25 AM   #374
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Taranaki hardcore ?, love that place, where abouts ?

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Yep, from the "Naki"
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Old 07-31-2013, 03:57 AM   #375
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Taranaki hardcore ?, love that place, where abouts ?
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http://www.taranakihardcore.co.nz/about

From my experience, if there was a 650 and 450 versions of the same bike and even if they weighed the same, they would be very different bikes to ride. The 450 would be easier to go fast on. I have never seen anything from CCM on there reasoning behind the use of a 450 engine, other than mentioning future Dakar racing. I'm not sure if that's the reason behind the 450 size. It's being touted as an adventure bike, but I think would appeal to a far greater audience with a bigger capacity more durable engine.
If you were trailering a bike to events then a 450 would be fine, but then you may as well ride a WR 450 or KTM EXC.
If someone builds a 450 engine like the Yamaha WRR 250 with long service intervals and a long life expectancy then a 450 adventure will be great.
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