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Old 01-25-2013, 03:50 PM   #46
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I want to know more about this engine.
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Old 01-26-2013, 03:19 AM   #47
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I want to know more about this engine.
I'm not really worried about the engine if it really is a BMW (now used in Husqvarnas) item. I'm more worried about the price...
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Old 01-26-2013, 03:52 AM   #48
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Looking at the specs for the Husky TE449, it has been upgraded to a 6-speed tranny, but all 4 valves are titanium which does not bode well for general longevity or reasonable adjustment intervals if the bike is going to ridden as a lightweight ADV tourer. I could not find specs for oil capacity. Given the TE449's "hard enduro" mission, I'm guessing less than 1.5 qts.

I look forward to seeing the specs for the CCM - there's certainly a lot of potential there.
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Old 01-26-2013, 10:57 AM   #49
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Looking at the specs for the Husky TE449, it has been upgraded to a 6-speed tranny, but all 4 valves are titanium which does not bode well for general longevity or reasonable adjustment intervals if the bike is going to ridden as a lightweight ADV tourer. I could not find specs for oil capacity. Given the TE449's "hard enduro" mission, I'm guessing less than 1.5 qts.

I look forward to seeing the specs for the CCM - there's certainly a lot of potential there.
The TE/TXC 449/511 6 speed transmission has a narrower gear spread (2.286 - 0.917, 2.49 spread) then the 5 speed transmission (2.46 - 0.88, 2.80 spread) in the BMW G450X. Compared to say a TE 610/630 with ratios from 2.615 - 0.769 and a spread of 3.40 neither is really what I would consider "wide ratio". There is a reason I have a TE 630 for a "dual purpose" bike and a TXC 449 that is marginally street legal where I live as a "dirt bike with plates"...

TE/TXC 449/511 has a 1.15L oil capacity with a filter change so ~1.2 quarts if my conversion works out.
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Old 01-26-2013, 04:11 PM   #50
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I may have to keep my G450X for adventure purposes.
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Old 01-26-2013, 04:24 PM   #51
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Old 01-26-2013, 04:32 PM   #52
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I may have to keep my G450X for adventure purposes.
We just made the last payment on our G.
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Old 01-26-2013, 05:25 PM   #53
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Beautiful bike. Adding to the wish list.

Is there really much chance we'd see a US version?
So many promises over the years, only to find out it's another internet myth!

Have to wait and see - should we start a pool on this?
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:39 AM   #54
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Perhaps the solution lies with the redneck. Find a frame suspension combo you like and add a motor you can live with. Kind of the rat rod idea. I ride a 640 adventure I love, but don't love c.omplexity of motor services. Think a guy could slide a dr 650 in there or XR .. Just register as before no problemo. Just thinkink?
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:46 AM   #55
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Now it's Harley's fault the Jap Dual Sports are too heavy?

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Old 01-28-2013, 01:01 PM   #56
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Is there really much chance we'd see a US version?
So many promises over the years, only to find out it's another internet myth!

Have to wait and see - should we start a pool on this?
This is CCM. They'll probably go bust (again) in the time it takes to ship a crate full of bikes across the Atlantic
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Old 01-28-2013, 01:50 PM   #57
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I have both 404 and 644 D/S CCM's and can't fault them. Have always considered changing the 644 up to adventure spec but getting the right bits to fit is an issue. This 450i could be the answer however there are a lot of questions that will only be answered once more detailed specs are released.
An adventure version will require (in my opinion) - wide ratio box, increased oil capacity and service intervals, greater fuel capacity than the trail versions 17 lts (up by say 7-8 Lts), comfortable seat and ride position, robust gear carrying capacity, a bit of rider weather protection and perhaps an enclosed chain just for the hell of it. Beware CCM - cost will make or break this bike.

As for it being released in Canada and or the America's, well, with the interest shown on the likes of here, lets hope the companies involved are 'listening' to both the specs required and potential demand.
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Old 01-28-2013, 02:38 PM   #58
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it would be interesting if a company like CCM did what KTM shoulda done so many years back with a 690 ADV.
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Old 01-29-2013, 01:34 AM   #59
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Love it makes a change from the usual manufactures.
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Old 01-30-2013, 01:04 AM   #60
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This is CCM. They'll probably go bust (again) in the time it takes to ship a crate full of bikes across the Atlantic
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I have to say, there seems to be a lot of people here treating a 'six speed wide ratio gearbox' as some sort of holy grail?!

In 2008/09 I rode the then brand new and unproven 660 Tenere right across the US and back, including the Trans-Am Trail, the dunes in southern California, desert in New Mexico, forests in Oregon, snow in Colorado - the list is endless... all with a 5-speed gearbox, and never found it wanting.

We have to remember this is a 450cc Adventure bike - it's not a 1200cc all-terrain uber-cruiser in the mould of a GS... or to use a 4wd analogy - it is a trail-prepped Jeep Wranger, not a GMC Suburban.

The focus of producing a smaller lighter-weight Adventure bike, is that it will be more appropriate for off-highway riding, taking the back roads and having fun - even my WR450 on enduro gearing will cruise all day at 70mph - and most people (who travel overland by bike) will tell you that somewhere around 50mph is actually the sweet-spot - let's face it, if you are riding any faster than that, then you are not really taking in the surroundings you are meant to be exploring?!

Therefore, my only concern is not the engine performance as much as the potential longevity. The stock BMW 450X engine does have a small oil capacity, and due to it's unconventional architecture (the clutch being mounted on the crank shaft for example), means there might be longer-term issues with a bike worked really hard... I recall people cooking their clutches on the 450X, albeit those guys tended to be racing the Dakar x

On the whole though, the 450X is probably towards the 'stronger' end of the scale regarding reliability - remember BMW were confident enough to offer a 2-year warranty (albeit with conditions attached) at the time?

Personally (and as ZtoXS highlights above), I would have loved to see this bike with a Suzuki DRZ400 engine - as the old CCM 404DS had - but that is not going to happen as the supply of that engine has dried up, and will not meet current and new emmissions rules... Trying to find a 450cc donor engine that actually meet those criteria (or that the parent manufacturer is prepared to sell you) is seemingly impossible these days - CCM can only work with what is available.

I think speculating on how this bike is going to ride/perform is academic, until you've actually sat on one and more importantly ridden it. Let's hope they can get some pre-production bikes out to the press and potential customers soon!

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