|01-30-2013, 02:04 AM||#61|
Joined: Apr 2007
Location: Somewhere west of Laramie...
I have to say, there seems to be a lot of people here treating a 'six speed wide ratio gearbox' as some sort of holy grail?!
In 2008/09 I rode the then brand new and unproven 660 Tenere right across the US and back, including the Trans-Am Trail, the dunes in southern California, desert in New Mexico, forests in Oregon, snow in Colorado - the list is endless... all with a 5-speed gearbox, and never found it wanting.
We have to remember this is a 450cc Adventure bike - it's not a 1200cc all-terrain uber-cruiser in the mould of a GS... or to use a 4wd analogy - it is a trail-prepped Jeep Wranger, not a GMC Suburban.
The focus of producing a smaller lighter-weight Adventure bike, is that it will be more appropriate for off-highway riding, taking the back roads and having fun - even my WR450 on enduro gearing will cruise all day at 70mph - and most people (who travel overland by bike) will tell you that somewhere around 50mph is actually the sweet-spot - let's face it, if you are riding any faster than that, then you are not really taking in the surroundings you are meant to be exploring?!
Therefore, my only concern is not the engine performance as much as the potential longevity. The stock BMW 450X engine does have a small oil capacity, and due to it's unconventional architecture (the clutch being mounted on the crank shaft for example), means there might be longer-term issues with a bike worked really hard... I recall people cooking their clutches on the 450X, albeit those guys tended to be racing the Dakar x
On the whole though, the 450X is probably towards the 'stronger' end of the scale regarding reliability - remember BMW were confident enough to offer a 2-year warranty (albeit with conditions attached) at the time?
Personally (and as ZtoXS highlights above), I would have loved to see this bike with a Suzuki DRZ400 engine - as the old CCM 404DS had - but that is not going to happen as the supply of that engine has dried up, and will not meet current and new emmissions rules... Trying to find a 450cc donor engine that actually meet those criteria (or that the parent manufacturer is prepared to sell you) is seemingly impossible these days - CCM can only work with what is available.
I think speculating on how this bike is going to ride/perform is academic, until you've actually sat on one and more importantly ridden it. Let's hope they can get some pre-production bikes out to the press and potential customers soon!
|01-30-2013, 01:30 PM||#62|
Joined: Dec 2008
Location: East Midlands, UK
And I entirely agree with the other bit - that bike with a DRZ lump in, awesome. With the BMW motor in... might be a laugh as a rally bike, but for big distance use?
But then CCM can only use what they can buy - and even if every manufacturer was prepared to sell to them, what actually is there in terms of 400-450, trail/dualsport motors out there?
|01-30-2013, 02:13 PM||#63|
Joined: Mar 2009
The 5 speed of the 660 IS pretty wide, compared to fx the drz.... or even the 6 speed ktm690 as I recall.
6 speed wide-ratio like the ktm exc's is just so much better than the narrowspeed bikes, and even the pretty wide-ratio 5 speeds. (IMO)
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|01-30-2013, 02:29 PM||#64|
Joined: Nov 2006
Motorfiets has done the Trans-Am trail on the G450X. He can tell you all about it.... Generalizing about 5 speed versus 6 speed is a moot point, unless we are taking gear ratios - including final-drive ratios.
Having ridden G450X (2.80 BMW G450X (5 speed) 14.10) back to back to WR250R (3.36 Yamaha WR250R/WR250X (6-speed) 16.99), I can tell you there is not much difference in terms of cruising RPM, vibrations, and feel of the motor at 60mph, 5th or 6th gear respectively. Hence why I got rid of the WR250R for the instant throttle gratification I received from G450X. I'm not interested in prolong exposure at 70mph, or 80mph for that matter.
The G450X motor is as strong as they get, and I would personally choose it over the DRZ400 motor.. There are plenty of high mileage motors reported in the G450X thread. Race/abuse/ any bike, and it will need serious maintenance, some sooner, some later.
Thanks to montesa_vr for keeping track of the gear ratios.
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|01-30-2013, 04:52 PM||#65|
Joined: Oct 2007
Location: North of Jack Daniel's, South of Country Music
it was great fun and the perfect bike going there... but on the return trip it was no fun...
fuel range was not great even with the safari tank.
If hope they have significantly increased the fuel capacity of the CCM and installed a 6 speed...
like many have said.... what's a DRZ? "the constant search for 6th gear" - it does make a world of an addition
|02-06-2013, 10:22 AM||#66|
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Joined: Mar 2007
Location: YreKa BaKery
6th gear schimth gear; if this is RTW ready, I don't see many over-landers breaking 50mph anyway.
130kg dry, 40bhp, fully adjustable suspension. Nice.
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|02-08-2013, 10:37 PM||#67|
Joined: Dec 2007
Location: Lansing, MI
|02-11-2013, 07:03 PM||#68|
Joined: Jan 2007
Location: uk gods county
ive read and read on this bike and donor engine .. i dont live far on this planet from the ccm factory
im not sure if this will be a full on long distance adventure bike ..but i hope im wrong
any way a phonecall and a hours ride and im looking at the prototype bike
ive visited the ccm factory and looked at the prototype and seen a race bike under construction with the exact same frame tecnolagy ..
my main riding is local or semi local weekend meets ..i usually do one big trip a year maby 4/5000 miles
i currantly use a xt660 tenere and a klr 650 for the longer trips but desperatly need somthing lighter and more managable as i like to do some trail riding sometimes quite tough and the bigger bikes are a real handful im not a great offroad talent but ive done a lot of off roading and the big adventure bikes are too heavy ..the main cause of my falls ..not all of course but mostly
i dont want to buy a pogo again i want to be able to ride to where im going ..trail the day after and ride back a typical weekend would be 500 miles maby 5/6 hours off road
i havnt got the full details as they are still in consideration
what i can tell you is
the buid quality of the frame and cycle parts is really fab
alloy frame and spine high quality ..glues at the headstock light and impressive
swingarms are high quality with the ccm logo cut in ..foot pegs and cycle parts are high quality
talon pegs .. wheels and centres are high qhality i dontb think there is a cush drive but the swingarm setup and torque converter may offset this for the road ?
its the bmw sprocket swingarm set up
gears im presuming 5 silly i know but i didnt ask
fiinal drive i dont know im presuming 15/ somthing 45?? 47 ?? 70mph highway cruising is on the cards
the constuction and cycle parts are very high quality
dash is neat sat nav option fiished nice in carbon /lookalike facia ?
bashplate looks very good and protective
ive got a centre stand ordered its not done yet but will be a light alloy construction
hand guards look acerbis alloy jobs ..may be wrong
the tank range is 18 litres 250 mile range auxilery tank under all new frame and subfra,me
rear rack .. neat tidy a little small i think ..25kgms carrying capacity
im pretty sure the racks and panniers are metal mule /optoional extra
exhaust is bespoke for ccm and a light alloy consruction it looks really neat
suspension is by the dutch guys from w/power who sold to ktm
the electric preload is a optional extra
forks are 47ml cartarge
oil capacity has been increased with a auxilery tank
service interval ...this is interesting 7500 km 5000 miles ?? but i may be tempted to drop a couple of pil changes in
renthal bars billet hangars look s you would expect
all cables are well lon enough for risers should you need them
ergos the peg seat arrangmet is very natural for my 6ft frame the fairing is neat with the small screen looking high enough to be effective
the tank spits two pods one for fuel one false to gain easy access to the airbox the battery and elecrics an be accesses from the cover on the top of the spine and a re easy to get too
the wiring is neat and prcise a lot of which is housed in the frame ..not rats nest hear neat tidy organised pecise
dry weight 125kgms
power output electrical .. i wouldnt plan for more than some oxford grips
tyres optional i chose dunlop 606s are for starters
front mudguard ..will be higher on the stock bike a high beak is optional if you want /or need it
price either 7995 or 7795 uk pounds
was i impressed by it ....its so much better than the pictures you and i have seen
it could be quite special i think
maby overkill for my needs ..ive got a klr and tenere that weigh 200 kgms wet and chuck out 47 and 42 hp
the ccm is going to be i dunno 140 kgms wet and 42 hp should be fun to ride
there remains the option of a 52bhp plug and ride but i imagine it would increase service strain and probably shhot me through awall ..but its a consideration some may want to expore
do i have any doubts well hell yes but its such a nice bike so well thhought out and the engineering is
great to look at
what did i do .....well i had to give it a go well thought out and impressive
i know what people are going to say about the service costs and such but im gonna find out but it sure looks like a great duel sport in the purest sense
one thig it will not be working anywhere near its remit with my ageing fat ass on it
please understand this info is in good faith but not official in anyway and is subject to any changes that ccm decide on later
and the bike in the pictures is a prototype and not the finished aricle
wish me luck and ccm also
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|02-11-2013, 10:35 PM||#71|
Joined: Sep 2001
Minky, you have a unique voice.
Thanks for sharing these tidbits and morsels with us.
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|02-11-2013, 11:58 PM||#72|
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Joined: Mar 2009
Location: Soaking up the Southern Californian Sun.
Okay now I really want one... Might have to move back to England to get it but... I will have it!
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|02-12-2013, 03:22 AM||#73|
Joined: May 2006
Location: Hell-sing-land, Sweden
Cool. I like! 140ish kg and 50+bhp should be ok.
Hope there will be a taller seat avalible. Did I here anyone say "Rally"?
690 "DIY" thread (incl. "Rallybike build"): http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=708813
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