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Old 08-12-2013, 08:20 PM   #151
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I'm glad to see other brands starting to do well in the series. This brings more money, more fans, and more exposure to the sport. For quite a while now, the series has been more like glorified vintage racing.
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:20 AM   #152
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I'm glad to see other brands starting to do well in the series. This brings more money, more fans, and more exposure to the sport. For quite a while now, the series has been more like glorified vintage racing.

It also brings more racers..... An EX650 based tracker is 1/3 the price of an XR750. You can easily have a back up bike or TT bike also in the stable for the same money. But, with that said, HD is still the only FACTORY with any involvement and has kept the sport alive over the years. I am really surprised that Triumph especially has not jumped in with both feet.... At least 1 bike. The other problem is displacement. It should be an 800 cc rule to reflect what is really out there in production.
Then there is the GREED on the part of DMG. Where are the nice rider purses? Flattrack does not pay enough and forces great riders like Beach and Hayden out to greener pastures.
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Old 08-13-2013, 07:11 AM   #153
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It also brings more racers..... An EX650 based tracker is 1/3 the price of an XR750. You can easily have a back up bike or TT bike also in the stable for the same money. But, with that said, HD is still the only FACTORY with any involvement and has kept the sport alive over the years. I am really surprised that Triumph especially has not jumped in with both feet.... At least 1 bike. The other problem is displacement. It should be an 800 cc rule to reflect what is really out there in production.
Then there is the GREED on the part of DMG. Where are the nice rider purses? Flattrack does not pay enough and forces great riders like Beach and Hayden out to greener pastures.
The purses are paid by the promoters and they were weak well before DMG was on the scene. Rain outs hurt worse than the purse. The Sacramento Mile had a large purse which I'm sure helped after the two rainouts where teams encountered travel expenses for NO money.

Want bigger purses? Pay higher ticket prices and but more products from sponsors. Thats where the larger purse money will come from.
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Old 08-13-2013, 08:19 AM   #154
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It also brings more racers..... An EX650 based tracker is 1/3 the price of an XR750. You can easily have a back up bike or TT bike also in the stable for the same money. But, with that said, HD is still the only FACTORY with any involvement and has kept the sport alive over the years. I am really surprised that Triumph especially has not jumped in with both feet.... At least 1 bike.
Triumph is backing Johnny Lewis on the Latus Bonnie.
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The other problem is displacement. It should be an 800 cc rule to reflect what is really out there in production.
Off the top of my head there's the BMW F800, the Triumph 800 Tiger, and a Ducati 796(which is really 803cc). No Japanese bikes come readily to mind. How is that reflective of what's really out there?
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:33 PM   #155
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Triumph is backing Johnny Lewis on the Latus Bonnie.

Off the top of my head there's the BMW F800, the Triumph 800 Tiger, and a Ducati 796(which is really 803cc). No Japanese bikes come readily to mind. How is that reflective of what's really out there?
no Japanese bikes??? how about the awesomely fast Kawis that keep winning, based on the ninja/versys motor!!!!
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Next year they go back to a 750cc rule so all those Euro bikes you mention (and Lewis's Triumph) are out. It is well planned to favor 1 factory just like always. They should also allow 800cc triples if someone wants to try those. A Japanese 650 is at a disadvantage. So which HD in their line-up of production bikes is a 750? NONE OF THEM! I mean that 800s are the new 750s and are in the marketplace and should be raced. Soon the restrictors will all be off those XR750s and those Kaws will not keep up. I have seen this before. Good for Triumph for keeping at least 1 foot in the game.This is not a "factory effort" like it was defined in the 70s however...or they would be after Smitty, Mees, Halbert to ride for them.
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no Japanese bikes??? how about the awesomely fast Kawis that keep winning, based on the ninja/versys motor!!!!
True. I was limiting my thinking to just 800cc. But as buls points out a 650 twin should be at a disadvantage due to pure displacement compared to another modern motor at 800cc.
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Old 08-14-2013, 07:10 AM   #158
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Next year they go back to a 750cc rule so all those Euro bikes you mention (and Lewis's Triumph) are out. It is well planned to favor 1 factory just like always.
I thought AMA Pro backed off of that plan?
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This is not a "factory effort" like it was defined in the 70s however...or they would be after Smitty, Mees, Halbert to ride for them.
Well, nothing is a "factory effort" like the early 70's in dirt track anymore :) Even the HD support of...wait, who are they supporting now again? Oh yeah, Kenny Coolbeth Jr. Even that support isn't what it used to be. Certainly doesn't guarantee results lately.
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Next year they go back to a 750cc rule so all those Euro bikes you mention (and Lewis's Triumph) are out. It is well planned to favor 1 factory just like always. They should also allow 800cc triples if someone wants to try those. A Japanese 650 is at a disadvantage. So which HD in their line-up of production bikes is a 750? NONE OF THEM! I mean that 800s are the new 750s and are in the marketplace and should be raced. Soon the restrictors will all be off those XR750s and those Kaws will not keep up. I have seen this before. Good for Triumph for keeping at least 1 foot in the game.This is not a "factory effort" like it was defined in the 70s however...or they would be after Smitty, Mees, Halbert to ride for them.
Johnny Lewis is more than capable of producing the results ANY team would want from their rider. Just my opinion...
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Anyone at the Indy Mile spotting all the GP VIPs in the paddock?
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^^^ jealous.

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1/2 distance in Indy Expert Main. Smith out front but second through fifth are working together to try to make up the gap. Not sure they will do it.
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1/2 distance in Indy Expert Main. Smith out front but second through fifth are working together to try to make up the gap. Not sure they will do it.
Couldn't do it. Great race the last few laps with 2-5 riders. Baker made the podium. :
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