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Old 02-03-2013, 06:29 PM   #16
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Since this thread has already been sidetracked, how about nitrates? Had my well water tested and it came back at a 10.99 and the MCL is 10. The lab lady recommended reverse osmosis, I have not heard the negative effects of RO until this thread. What would the water pros do?
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Old 02-03-2013, 08:00 PM   #17
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Ion exchange system. My dad has one at the ranch. I believe it is by Rain-dance, or something like that.
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Old 02-03-2013, 10:09 PM   #18
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Most reverse osmosis drinking water filtration systems will remove fluoride.
Sprouts has that in FC and they said flat out it does not remove the fluoride. water taste is awesome and cheap but still has fluoride.
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Old 02-03-2013, 10:11 PM   #19
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Just buy Eldorado bottled water at King Soopers and save yourself from driving all over looking for good water. It is good water! Or have em deliver it in 5 gallon jugs and install a dispenser.

Another idea....install a R/O water filter in your house from which to get drinking water.

Another chemical you aren't talking about, but may have considered, is chlorine. Thats in probably all municipal water systems. Yum Yum!
we go through alot of water and that is expensive way to go.
I have a nice used rubber maid 5 gallon water jug (like you see on the back of all the work trucks). I'm hoping to find a place close where I can go fill that up for hopefully free or cheap. i'm hoping for a clean well in the area.

and yes i'd like to not drink chlorine.
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If you drink beer most is made with muni water. How do I know? I was a commercial brewer for 12 years. Flouride is naturally occurring in lots of water. In some parts of the country its above 4 parts a million. Most munis that flouridate go to 0.9 to 1.1 ppm. In fact a lot of places add little to no flouride to hit that goal. Just because you are getting water from a well, or a muni that doesn't flouridate, doesn't mean you are getting water without flouride. Again you ask how do you know. I have been treating water for the past 8 + years.
thanks for all the info.
is naturally occurring fluoride the same as the stuff added?
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If you drink beer most is made with muni water. How do I know? I was a commercial brewer for 12 years. Flouride is naturally occurring in lots of water. In some parts of the country its above 4 parts a million. Most munis that flouridate go to 0.9 to 1.1 ppm. In fact a lot of places add little to no flouride to hit that goal. Just because you are getting water from a well, or a muni that doesn't flouridate, doesn't mean you are getting water without flouride. Again you ask how do you know. I have been treating water for the past 8 + years.
so all FC produced beer has fluoride in it. oh well. it's tasty.

my focus is my 4yr old daughter and fluoride. me...i've already lost tons of IQ points.
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Good info and food for thought from ironbrewer here Bill. ^^^^^

I've tested well water (for household use and domestic consumption) here in Routt County that routinely had between 25 - 50 ppm of NATURALLY OCCURRING flouride! At these levels it will mottle teeth and replace Ca in bones. Pretty darn dangerous really. So to reinforce ironbrewer's point, don't assume that just because water HASN'T been treated with flouride ............. that it doesn't contain a high concentration of it already.

We usually tested with an ion specific electrode for Flouride. The only other ion that significantly interfered with this probe was a hydroxide ion and and if you suspected any issues, you could buffer the sample to then negate this interference. In short, it is a pretty accurate method.

I think that there has to be a "sweet spot" level for flouride, and it's probably a bit lower than what most of us are getting. The recommended levels have recently been revised downward here in the US I believe. At least they were talking about doing that not too long ago. Even with all the negative press that this issue receives, I remember reading somewhere that the flouridating of US water supplies is still widely considered one of the 10 most important health accomplishments of the 20th century. (or something to that effect)

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why even a sweet spot Rob? for what your teeth? there are better alternatives...and they are not a rat poison ingredient.
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I'm pretty sure that the recommended level of flouride is 0.8 to 1.1 ppm, and yes flouridation of water is considered one of the top 10 most important health accomplishments in health in the 20th century.
like reduced IQ?
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Old 02-03-2013, 10:28 PM   #24
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Since this thread has already been sidetracked, how about nitrates? Had my well water tested and it came back at a 10.99 and the MCL is 10. The lab lady recommended reverse osmosis, I have not heard the negative effects of RO until this thread. What would the water pros do?
yet another factor. how much to test water and where? thnx

does anyone know is say Loveland or Wellington, uses fluoride or LaPorte is on FC water and if not do they use fluoride or any ideas where i can get access to a well water? i'll pay a few bucks for it.

it can't be that hard to find fluoride-free water as most muni have gotten rid of it. hell i'll buy a big tank and go to rob's house and fill up in steamboat. that is amazing water...and no flouride
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:43 PM   #25
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The price to buy a tank and drive all over creation would never compete with buying a pallet of bottled water from SAMs club. Besides the other issues of contamination and proper cleaning.
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:48 PM   #26
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The price to buy a tank and drive all over creation would never compete with buying a pallet of bottled water from SAMs club. Besides the other issues of contamination and proper cleaning.
oh I know, i'm just playing.
besides, if I was really gonna pay for overpriced bottled water, it would the incredible stuff like Fiji water and such, not that filter tap water crap that SAMS pumps out.
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Ion exchange system. My dad has one at the ranch. I believe it is by Rain-dance, or something like that.
sounds like the expensive solution Norm. i'm looking for the cheap one.
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Old 02-04-2013, 05:16 AM   #28
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Same as the stuff added.

If you go to the site of each water district they should have fluoride levels listed somewhere or you can call the districts.

I'll check out your article about lowered IQ later. I just got off a 12 hour shift.

I looked into the rat poison thing. It just looks like massive doses of fluoride overwhelm the systems of the rat. Just like if you drink too much water or ate massive doses of salt, but fluoride is tasteless so its easier to eat.

I'ld worry more about nitrates and nitrites than RO water., but you could always add some untreated tap water to the RO water.
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Old 02-04-2013, 05:31 AM   #29
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quote: "flouride has proven over and over to reduce IQ points. i don't want a stupid kid because of simple water. most other munis have stop using flouride... flouride is in rat poison http://www.ehow.com/about_6544969_fl...at-poison.html why do I want to drink that??? there are proven better things for toothpaste and strong teeth - Xylitol http://www.naturepurity.com/holistic/xylitol_faq.html"


doh-------been drinkin' dat floorinated water all mah life, I'm sharp as a tack.........
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Thanks for the explanation of "aggressive" water, IB.

I grew up in the Boston area from age 2 1/2 on. Our water came from Quabbin Reservoir which had (still has I think) one of the highest water quality ratings in the country. The water in the area was fluoridated. I had the fewest cavities of my four brothers and was the youngest when we moved to the area. I also had, by far, the best grades of any of my brothers and hold more degrees any one of them. My graduating class of 365 had maybe 2 people who didn't go to college which likely had to do with financial ability and an inordinate number of people who went to ivy league schools. Not to mention, the area is littered with university profs and their offspring.

Personally, I would worry more about how neurotic parents, nitrates/nitrite, and GMOs affect a child's ability to learn than fluoride. The scare about fluoride reminds me of all the hoopla about vaccines and parents who don't want their kids to have them. They are, inevitably, at least two generations removed from parents whose children suffered during epidemics of mumps, measles, rubella, pertussis, and polio.
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