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Old 02-08-2013, 12:29 PM   #16
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It is hard to believe the question was asked. You guys just don't get it. You keep elected left wing wackos and expect something different?
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:24 PM   #17
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Politics.

Well it was under the Bush administration when our trail management order was issued. And that administration wanted to close OHV trails in Moab in favor of oil and gas production.

Attend any Public lands meeting and you will see a group of activists who have purchased land next to or inside public lands then lobbied hard to get the public land next to their homestead off limits to OHV. I use to read it all the time when I was looking for land in Minnesota. The ad would always read adjacent to millions of acres of public land.

Colorado trails next to the flat tops are being held hostage by some private land owners who for years wanted to trade that land for land next to Wolf Creek Ski area. They wanted to use the land for development.

Groups and individuates have wanted to privatize or make private use only of public lands for years.

If there were Cliff notes on this. They would read; the Right wants to private public lands for profit. The left wants to limit use of public lands so wacos don't destroy it. As far as I can see neither side gives a shit about the people who want moto access to public lands.

My parting shot on this, is that I am really getting tired of niocons who are so fucking stupid that they can't think for themselves. IF Rush didn't say it, it never happened. It's not just liberals who are taking away our access to public lands.Every Goddam time I get a email or letter asking for money and it reads, Tree hugers or liberals want to take away your lands. I toss the letter or delete the email.
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:46 PM   #18
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Old 02-08-2013, 07:00 PM   #19
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Time to start lobbying with the new SecInt. I think she might understand the need to have multiple uses for all that great land in central and southern Utah that has been discussed earlier. Some appropriate emails and threads from all the off road groups might help educate her about the need to keep the status quo in that region. She might like to go with for an offroad ride with Jon Huntsman to help educate her about the positive aspects of covering 100s of miles a day through the canyon country without having to walk for two weeks and carry all that water.....
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Old 02-08-2013, 08:37 PM   #20
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Politics.

Well it was under the Bush administration when our trail management order was issued. And that administration wanted to close OHV trails in Moab in favor of oil and gas production.

Attend any Public lands meeting and you will see a group of activists who have purchased land next to or inside public lands then lobbied hard to get the public land next to their homestead off limits to OHV. I use to read it all the time when I was looking for land in Minnesota. The ad would always read adjacent to millions of acres of public land.

Colorado trails next to the flat tops are being held hostage by some private land owners who for years wanted to trade that land for land next to Wolf Creek Ski area. They wanted to use the land for development.

Groups and individuates have wanted to privatize or make private use only of public lands for years.

If there were Cliff notes on this. They would read; the Right wants to private public lands for profit. The left wants to limit use of public lands so wacos don't destroy it. As far as I can see neither side gives a shit about the people who want moto access to public lands.

My parting shot on this, is that I am really getting tired of niocons who are so fucking stupid that they can't think for themselves. IF Rush didn't say it, it never happened. It's not just liberals who are taking away our access to public lands.Every Goddam time I get a email or letter asking for money and it reads, Tree hugers or liberals want to take away your lands. I toss the letter or delete the email.
Though I'm sure I'm a conservative in the general sense of political identification, there's little doubt in my mind that this entire federal government is and has been out of control for some time...and IMO that's across any party lines. It's been hijacked by special interests ranging from one end of the spectrum of extreme environmentalists to corporate interests of all manner. The majority of the people in this country no longer really have the voice in government that their numbers should dictate. And the factionalization of people based on party and/or philosophy has been impressive and effective to accentuate both petty and major issues to drive us apart as citizens of this country. The left/right issue is somewhat of a fictitious boogeyman IMO, but it has been such an effective tool and has such a dramatic effect on people because it is in our nature to have a cause or a side. And while you can take my comments as the ranting of a black helicopter paranoiac, I think the proof is in the current condition this country finds itself. While the majority of us are tossed about on the waves of us-versus-them, those with real power and influence in government go merrily on their way, doing their own thing, and getting what they want.

Hell, we aren't screwed because of a selection of an interior secretary. We're screwed because this federal government hasn't worked properly for quite some time. It's been growing and morphing for decades into the thing that the founders tried to warn us about.
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Old 02-08-2013, 08:53 PM   #21
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People trying to privatize and or make profit off of public lands isn't new.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teapot_Dome_scandal

To some profit comes when they can slam the door on people who use the forest.


If the Santa Fe National forest had put as much energy into fire abatement as they have into their trail management ruling over half of that forest might not affected by fire. And now with an early fire season in the forecast and almost Zero abatement activity the other half is ripe for burning. Forest fires pretty much rune the forest for any activity. After the forest burns it really doesn't matter if you are a moto guy or a tree huger.

The bitch about the department of interior is that they are task for our most sensitive lands. BLM lands are lands that are qualified as marginal. They pulled ranchers of the land in New Mexico after the 30s. Their return has been highly managed. Who knows where this will go. But lately attempted land transfers to local Tribes. And closers without hearing or follow procedures doesn't tell a good story. I believe that the national policy of first concentrating use to fewer trails or access points will only lead to over use then trail closer. National policy is not taking us in a healthy direction. I am not sure how to change that.
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Old 02-08-2013, 08:57 PM   #22
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New Secratary of the Interior

Im sorry, Hair was posting some stuff but it all looked like Bla, Bla, Bla to me. You forget the edict of this admin is to destroy anything remotely republican and replace it with the new progressive(socialist) doctrine. All the appointees must submitno matter what position or to whom they may have to answer, Mark My Word
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Old 02-08-2013, 11:01 PM   #23
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On the bright side, a proponent of revoking motorized access and closing wildlands to the public is much preferable to someone who doesn't actually like the Parks and would rather sell the land to Exxon.

Destroyed land doesn't come back, but closed land can be re-opened.
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Old 02-09-2013, 06:53 AM   #24
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Destroyed land doesn't come back, but closed land can be re-opened.
How often have you ever seen "closed" OHV roads and trail re-opended?

Im not a proponent of strip mining etc, but how do you think 90% of all back county roads were developed? It was mining, logging, railways and exploitation for natural resources from the turn of the century on that created a very large number of our riding areas today. It is almost impossible to do a ride in Colorado in the back country and not use a road that was created by miners at one point in time. Ironic......
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Old 02-09-2013, 06:53 AM   #25
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On the bright side, a proponent of revoking motorized access and closing wildlands to the public is much preferable to someone who doesn't actually like the Parks and would rather sell the land to Exxon.

Destroyed land doesn't come back, but closed land can be re-opened.
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Politics.

Well it was under the Bush administration when our trail management order was issued. And that administration wanted to close OHV trails in Moab in favor of oil and gas production.

Attend any Public lands meeting and you will see a group of activists who have purchased land next to or inside public lands then lobbied hard to get the public land next to their homestead off limits to OHV. I use to read it all the time when I was looking for land in Minnesota. The ad would always read adjacent to millions of acres of public land.

Colorado trails next to the flat tops are being held hostage by some private land owners who for years wanted to trade that land for land next to Wolf Creek Ski area. They wanted to use the land for development.

Groups and individuates have wanted to privatize or make private use only of public lands for years.

If there were Cliff notes on this. They would read; the Right wants to private public lands for profit. The left wants to limit use of public lands so wackos don't destroy it. As far as I can see neither side gives a shit about the people who want moto access to public lands.

My parting shot on this, is that I am really getting tired of niocons who are so fucking stupid that they can't think for themselves. IF Rush didn't say it, it never happened. It's not just liberals who are taking away our access to public lands.Every Goddam time I get a email or letter asking for money and it reads, Tree hugers or liberals want to take away your lands. I toss the letter or delete the email.
I rest my case. You just don't get it. The difference is use compared to no use. I give up on you stupid asses that keep voting those into office that are dead set against use of public lands for any reason. Get your head out of your ass and research UN Agenda 21 and who supports it.

It matters little to me anymore. I am old and I have done more offroad riding than most of you will ever enjoy. I have given the warning and if you choose not to heed it you are just fucking yourselves.
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Old 02-09-2013, 09:04 AM   #27
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With opinions like that, Hold on buddy because you are in for a long line of liberals leading your country.
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Just keep up the polarization and name calling guys, it's a really effective method of persuasion.
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With opinions like that, Hold on buddy because you are in for a long line of liberals leading your country.
But he probably doesn't believe in evolution, although he is part of the process.
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But he probably doesn't believe in evolution, although he is part of the process.
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