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Old 02-08-2013, 02:44 PM   #151
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Soooooooo,who's next to announce their 2013 models? I'm ready to move on (other than the CB1100) to something else.
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Old 02-08-2013, 02:52 PM   #152
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The CRF250L is a dual sport, not a commuter. It's not even a good dual sport, the gas tank is too small, and it has no place to carry anything. Maybe the aftermarket will come to the rescue
Ummm....why not? It has a plate on it, your work doesn't let you in with knobbies on?

The fact that it's not a good dual sport (heavy, underpowered and under-suspended for any real off-road riding), means that it better be good at something and as an in-city bike it would make sense. Oh, backpacks are cheap too.
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Old 02-08-2013, 03:03 PM   #153
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I had hope, it is gone.

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yeah.... all of those.
I was starting to get excited about Honda actually getting into the core of bikes again.....the excitement is gone.

Still have pretty high hopes from what the NC700 and CB500 platforms have to offer though
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Old 02-08-2013, 03:05 PM   #154
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Honda was always this way. The original Civic, Accord, and Prelude were the same frame, variants on the same motor. They aren't really alone, either.


When you think about it, the more bikes they can stick an engine in, the better. It is pretty stupid to have an engine only in a single model.
+1

Europeans have done it for a long time, except they often just tweak an engine to suit.

Ducati start with an all out ball tearer that people will pay big bucks for and slowly de tune it it into a bunch of models.

BMW start with a ...Never mind.

The Japanese car manufacturers have done it since the sixties. My old Datsun was a 2litre variant of a 1.8 litre variant of a 1600cc variant of a 4 cylinder variant of a 2.4Litre / 2.6 / 2.8 litre six. All the same pistons, pumps gearboxes etc etc etc.

It was actually quite easy to find parts. If you needed a gearbox part you had the same box in a bunch of cars. pistons, water pumps, heads, valves, clutches.

So I think it was more of a Japanese bike manufacturers thing to try and make a bike for every niche and while they had a Cheap Yen it probably made sense. Now they have to be a bit more frugal.

The Chinese are coming and the Japanese Manufactures are probably looking at what happened to the European's in the Eighties and HD recently.

They do need to have some bikes that make a bit more sense for the average person out there that drive 1300cc Hyundai Getz'zzz. You don't need 600HP per ton to frighten that lot, you do need a place for the smartphone, Pad, SLR and makeup / hair gel.

And with all us old farts about to enter the crematorium years, I suspect Honda are just trying to get into that market.

And for the record, I got used to 600HP per ton over 30 years, but I started out with 100 and I was scared then just trying to go from push bike to that.

and as usual my aspirations always outweighed my actual riding skills so a few accidents later I settled down. I am glad those accidents happened at sub 300Km/h speeds I can tell ya.

In fact my first car and bike had about the same power to weight and top speed (70mph).

So last time I looked Honda still made a rocket ship. They haven't deleted the CBR-RRR from the line up.
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Old 02-08-2013, 03:06 PM   #155
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Wow. maybe Honda is starting to get things right. I love it. It has a cruiser riding position without looking like a cruiser. It is available WITHOUT ABS, and has available luggage. Even an available automatic. And at a somewhat reasonable price. Looks like the perfect solo touring bike. Maybe Honda finally realized there are people out there who do not like the torture rack riding position of sport bikes and sport tourers. I will definitely have to give this one serious consideration as my next bike.
Comfort is different for everyone,my 1200 Triumph is a nice upright all day comfortable traveling bike,slight lean forward. Most cruisers put you bang upright over the seat if not leaning backwards a little. Having the pegs way forward means no standing up to stretch and move around.
A straight up and down spine cant absorb bumps so they just give it a good jarring.
You wont find many ironbutt riders lounging on cruisers.

But of course everyone is different. Honda is trying something new again,maybe it will sell.
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Old 02-08-2013, 03:07 PM   #156
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yeah.... all of those.
I was starting to get excited about Honda actually getting into the core of bikes again.....the excitement is gone.

Still have pretty high hopes from what the NC700 and CB500 platforms have to offer though
Its hard to be a Honda nut these days........But there are the hopeful
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Old 02-08-2013, 03:09 PM   #157
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Add another rider who can not get past the feet forward controls.
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Old 02-08-2013, 03:14 PM   #158
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I've added this to cycle-ergo (but on a new server I'm migrating to). Go to http://207.58.188.42, click Add Motorcycle, click Recently Added, and it's at the top. Riding position is bolt upright but the legs are stretched far forward; further than on the DN-01. Seat height is indeed very low though.
Just say it,its a fancy scooter.
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Old 02-08-2013, 03:19 PM   #159
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Just say it,its a fancy scooter.
You say scooter like it is a bad thing. Why is that?
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Old 02-08-2013, 03:25 PM   #160
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... But, wants something that looks a bit pretty, has a low seat height, and manageable power.
Well, pretty much all the new bikes Honda has been announcing lately sure have "manageable" power

I find it sad that Honda has been reduced to pretty much introducing new bikes that can best be described as they have been.
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Old 02-08-2013, 03:34 PM   #161
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Well, pretty much all the new bikes Honda has been announcing lately sure have "manageable" power

I find it sad that Honda has been reduced to pretty much introducing new bikes that can best be described as they have been.
Has the CBR1000RR become slow, suddenly? Or the CB1000R, for that matter? Has Honda stopped making them? Would anyone give two shits if they added a couple of hp to them? People would sure raise hell if they stopped making them, though.

Honda makes plenty of ridiculously fast bikes. Obviously, they think there is a market for a bike of a different kind, too.
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Old 02-08-2013, 03:43 PM   #162
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Maybe Honda finally realized there are people out there who do not like the torture rack riding position of sport bikes and sport tourers.
Sport-tourers, torture rack? For some certainly, but certainly not most. In fact, sport-tourers may just have the most biomechanically correct riding position for a healthy body without significant muscle imbalances.

Now, if one has bad knees, a bad back/neck, poor core strength, etc., then obviously those people will have issues with certain riding positions...but that's the rider's issue, not the machine's.

Bottom line: different strokes for different folks
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Old 02-08-2013, 03:47 PM   #163
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Old 02-08-2013, 03:50 PM   #164
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Its hard to be a Honda nut these days........But there are the hopeful

The more new stuff of theirs I see, the more and more I want to keep my twin CB400F's

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Old 02-08-2013, 03:51 PM   #165
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I find it sad that Honda has been reduced to pretty much introducing new bikes that can best be described as they have been.
Lately Honda USA have been. Maybe they are working on a CBR1000RRR Repsol Scooter right now.

Maybe a CBR1000RRR motard. Maybe a bit niche for them though.

Anyway, the NC series is not a huge seller in OZ right now. It's doing OK.

So different areas will have different sales profiles. Maybe US Honda just thinks that a "cruiser" version will be a better option in the US of A
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