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Old 02-09-2013, 12:39 PM   #226
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Honda Announces the CTX700N and CTX700, the First Models of the CTX Series Bringing Customers the Comfort Technology Experience

CHICAGO, Illinois, U.S.A., February 8, 2013 - Honda today unveiled the CTX700N naked model and the CTX700 model equipped with cowls at the International Motorcycle Show in Chicago as the first motorcycles embodying Honda's new CTX (Comfort Technology Experience) concept.


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The CTX series was developed from the new "Comfort Technology Experience" concept dreamed up by Honda. The CTX delivers maneuverability and comfort brought by coupling a low center of gravity with less tiring low-vibration characteristics to realize an uninterrupted stress-free ride even as the distance adds up. Excellence in both stability and cornering offers users quiet and stable high-speed cruising. On top of this, the super-controllable engine characteristics found in the CTX series realize a smooth launch, speed changes and decelerating combined with smooth power response. Honda has thus achieved a level of comfort never experienced before through its pursuit of super-controllability accomplished by the best-fitting engine characteristics for every condition.

The CTX styling inherits Honda's own "horizontal motive design" from its flagship model, the GL1800 (GOLDWING) - a model enjoying high acclaim worldwide. From the overall styling all the way down to the very details including the seat and silencer, the horizontal motive design melds harmony with functional beauty.

The CTX series incorporating Honda's technologies seeks to reduce susceptibility to variations in the riders' experience and body size and offers a comfortable ride for any rider. These models also give users the opportunity to experience a stress-free ride in a wide variety of uses, from long-distance rides to street transport.

Equipped with the liquid-cooled inline 2-cylinder 670cc engine designed for compactness and a low center of gravity, the CTX700N and CTX700 announced today are entering the market as the first CTX series.

These new models sprung from Honda's "Comfort Technology Experience" concept, and were developed under the keywords of "easy, comfortable and exhilarating." The models feature a compact, low-center-of-gravity engine full of torque and producing a delightful throbbing feel in the low- to mid-speed ranges together with a smooth high-quality controllability that remains true to the goals of superior fuel efficiency and easy handling, featuring the liquid-cooled, inline, 2-cylinder 670cc engine design.

Putting the compact engine to its best use, the CTX700N and CTX700 support a wheelbase of 1,530mm. Nimbleness and high cornering performance are attained by a centralized mass achieved by the placement of heavy components near the vehicle's center of gravity and by optimizing the front-rear weight distribution. Engine mount position and frame rigidity balance have also been optimized to reduce vehicle body vibration while lowering the weight and offering the reassurance of straightforward handling.

For the frame and suspension, Honda's original horizontal motive styling comes configured with a newly designed rear sub-frame (seat rail), resulting in only 720mm of seat height to provide a vehicle standard with a sense of security. A framework that exploits the toughness of steel pipes realizes a high degree of responsiveness and flexibility against ever-changing road surfaces. In addition to enjoying excellent riding stability and turning performance, the rider can enjoy the high-quality riding taste featuring the right amount of pleasing vibrations. Bringing these features all together, the CTX700N and CTX700 have been perfected as models that are less susceptible to the riders' experience and body size in order to offer a comfortable ride for all riders.

The riding position is set with a high degree of freedom in mind so that the greatest number of customers can enjoy riding in suitable positions accommodating the wider variety of physiques found around the world. Comfort is at hand in a diversity of situations including rides that start in a congested urban area or travel along a highway or outside the city. The seat also delivers a ride with a sense of security through optimized hardness and shape, while securing a low seat height of 720mm with good ground reach facilitated by the seat shape. Passenger movement is in no way hindered over the delightfully enjoyable, long comfortable rides. At the same time, a step position that allows the passenger to extend their feet forward brings even more improvement to the riding position's degree of freedom.

For styling, Honda's unique and stout horizontal motive design was selected in Honda's quest to give the rider a sense of freedom through the up-close feel embodying the world view of the GOLDWING (GL1800), known for nimble transport on the street and a stress-free ride. The models are nimbly configured with a low center of gravity using a shape that honors the horizontal motive design. The forward glare of the front face and the "front-massive form" convey an impression from the front of a mass so dense that no concept like this has existed before.

To enable the widest possible variety of customers to ride with a sense of security, model types incorporating more lightweight, compact and highly useful DCT (dual clutch transmission) will be available for both the CTX700N and CTX700. Also adopting ABS (anti-lock brake system) as standard equipment, these model types with DCT will offer the user an "easy, comfortable and exhilarating" ride so that a broad spectrum of customers can experience riding comfort in a simple and easy way.

The CTX700N and CTX700 make use of a diversity of comfort technologies thought up by Honda. We are bringing these models to market to give a wider variety of customers than before the opportunity to experience the appeal of stress free, exceedingly comfortable motorcycle.
If you reread the Honda intro, there is considerable "engineering speak and buzz words and phrases" used. The red script describes why they did what they did and to whom they are targeting the CTX line.

This is like a person who loves French Provencal Furniture and his/her favorite company comes out with a line of Swedish Modern. The company is broadening their target customers, and knows the FP buyers won't like or buy their new line, but will continue to manufacture the FP line for them, too, while making product available to SM (not S&M) lovers That's all Honda is doing with the new CB's NC's and CTX's... Something for everyone...tp
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Old 02-09-2013, 12:45 PM   #227
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If you reread the Honda intro, there is considerable "engineering speak and buzz words and phrases" used. The red script describes why they did what they did and to whom they are targeting the CTX line.

This is like a person who loves French Provencal Furniture and his/her favorite company comes out with a line of Swedish Modern. The company is broadening their target customers, and knows the FP buyers won't like or buy their new line, but will continue to manufacture the FP line for them, too, while making product available to SM (not S&M) lovers That's all Honda is doing with the new CB's NC's and CTX's... Something for everyone...tp

Just the fact you can easily compare it to furniture says a lot.
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Old 02-09-2013, 12:47 PM   #228
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I just assumed the forward footpegs had more to do with giving scooter owners something familiar to lure them on to bikes than it did with the cruiser position.
With such a low seat height on the CTX 700, ergonomically, wouldn't the pegs have to be placed forward, rather than under, in order not to cramp the legs of many North American riders..

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Old 02-09-2013, 12:54 PM   #229
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Are you happy with the guy who is? Think the company's founder would be?
Honda is still doing what they have always been doing. Supplying products of great efficiency at reasonable prices.

I suggest you take a look at this link; (granted, it's a bit PR. But it values Honda's core). http://world.honda.com/history/limit...dex.html#1950s

Obviously Honda has got a very rich racing history and is still class leading in MotoGP bla die bla die bla. Sole reason for Honda to get into racing was to improve their products.

Your example of the RC166 isn't really significant isn't it? It was a pure prototype, not meant for public use.

I mean no disrespect in any way. I unnderstand you'd really like a I3 screaming 15K RPM But Honda has never been about 'that kind of bikes'.

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Old 02-09-2013, 01:00 PM   #230
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Maybe Honda got the idea from Dan Gurney's Alligator MC line. Looks like Eddie Lawson isn't embarrassed to at least sit on a foot forward kinda standard. Just google "recumbent motorcycles" to view what has been done with this styling idea...BTW that's a Honda 650 single being used there.
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Old 02-09-2013, 01:04 PM   #231
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The CB350 four and 400 four are part of that history too, and in their day they weren't dull, or boring. They were out of the box thinking. The CBX too. I'm not Honda's target, they build what they build. It's sad I can walk right past everything they offer with nary a speck of interest. All this effort in moto-scooter-cruiser hybrids and they could easily own the entire DS/enduro market with a modern XL350R, or 500 Dakar Adv, or a real sport version of a CBR250RR, but I guess they know their market, they did build the Fury after all.
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Old 02-09-2013, 01:04 PM   #232
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If you reread the Honda intro, there is considerable "engineering speak and buzz words and phrases" used. The red script describes why they did what they did and to whom they are targeting the CTX line.

This is like a person who loves French Provencal Furniture and his/her favorite company comes out with a line of Swedish Modern. The company is broadening their target customers, and knows the FP buyers won't like or buy their new line, but will continue to manufacture the FP line for them, too, while making product available to SM (not S&M) lovers That's all Honda is doing with the new CB's NC's and CTX's... Something for everyone...tp
Wow - I didn't realize that there was anyone who actually believed the marketing bullshit

What did you expect Honda to say, that they built a half-ass scooter/cruiser abomination that nobody asked for, but that they're betting on a creating a huge new market for converted soccer moms who are too lazy/uncoordinated to actually learn how to use a manual transmission?
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Old 02-09-2013, 01:10 PM   #233
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The CB350 four and 400 four are part of that history too, and in their day they weren't dull, or boring. They were out of the box thinking. The CBX too. I'm not Honda's target, they build what they build. It's sad I can walk right past everything they offer with nary a speck of interest. All this effort in moto-scooter-cruiser hybrids and they could easily own the entire DS/enduro market with a modern XL350R, or 500 Dakar Adv, or a real sport version of a CBR250RR, but I guess they know their market, they did build the Fury after all.
Which compagny is the number 1. selling motorcycles again?
I'd like to see a good DS made by Honda. Sad thing is the ADV markt is really slim isn't it. Same goes for a 'racing version' of the CBR250.
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"I want you to innovate!"

"that's ugly, I don't want that!"


There is no way Honda (or anyone else) can win under those terms.

Don't buy it if you don't like it. Oh, and by all means secure some financing for the brilliant ideas you have that Honda et al don't. Based on global sales, Honda isn't in dire straits.
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Old 02-09-2013, 01:21 PM   #235
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Wow - I didn't realize that there was anyone who actually believed the marketing bullshit

What did you expect Honda to say, that they built a half-ass scooter/cruiser abomination that nobody asked for, but that they're betting on a creating a huge new market for converted soccer moms who are too lazy/uncoordinated to actually learn how to use a manual transmission?
Chris, every thing you eat, drink, wear, drive, ride, smoke, live in, attend services at, etc, etc, you do because of someone's BS marketing plan. You/we simply choose to believe one groups marketing while discounting others.

Throughout this thread, there has been discounting by some and avid acceptance by others. Honda is just looking for acceptance in some while ignoring the discounting of others, as they are aware that everything doesn't appeal to everyone. Some of us prefer blondes, others brunettes, while everyone loves redheads, right... tp.
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Old 02-09-2013, 01:25 PM   #236
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Which compagny is the number 1. selling motorcycles again?
I'd like to see a good DS made by Honda. Sad thing is the ADV markt is really slim isn't it. Same goes for a 'racing version' of the CBR250.

Not a race version of it, a real CRB250RR!

Honda guy, didn't mean to start a war with you. My family has been thru a good +40 bikes in the last 15 years and there hasn't been a single Honda among them, not since I raced 1988 CR125/250s! They must be doing something right, but none of it appeals to this moto nut and I don't think I'm alone.
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Chris, every thing you eat, drink, wear, drive, ride, smoke, live in, attend services at, etc, etc, you do because of someone's BS marketing plan. You/we simply choose to believe one groups marketing while discounting others.

Throughout this thread, there has been discounting by some and avid acceptance by others. Honda is just looking for acceptance in some while ignoring the discounting of others, as they are aware that everything doesn't appeal to everyone. Some of us prefer blondes, others brunettes, while everyone loves redheads, right... tp.
I want mine bald!

The problem with Honda's marketing strategy is that while they might be attracting new buyers, they're running off a lot of the ones that have been most loyal. Since this site is "Adventure" rider, not "commuter" rider, don't you think most of us would absolutely love it if Honda offered a bike to compete with the likes of GS's, KTM Adventures, hell even the V-Stroms? Yeah, then we'd bitch about it not being big enough, small enough, "beaked" or un-"beaked", but at least they'd be trying to give a bike what MOST of us are looking for. But no, we get this crap.

And the "Fury". WTF?
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It is an open question whether or not another large adventure tour bike will sell well enough in the states to be worth the import trouble. Kawasaki and Honda both make tall big bore roadie adv ish bikes and don't import them. Why? I can only assume they don't because they do not think they will sell well enough.

I can still find 2012 super teneres, fwiw.
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Oh, I forgot. Honda is offering a long legged blonde with the purchase of an NC700S for a limited time. Maybe a incentive for those on the fence... tp
That blonde looks expensive to maintain. And the cost to dispose of the old model blond would be prohibitive......

But maybe a test drive?
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Old 02-09-2013, 02:09 PM   #240
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I own 3 scooters, a Yamaha Vino 125, a Yamaha Zuma 125, and a Genuine Stella 2 stroke. All bought new. The Vino is an '08, and I have somehow managed to put 24,000 miles on it. Mostly highway, though very little of it on freeways, because it is not freeway legal. I just recently bought the Zuma, and have outfitted it with a top box, saddlebags, a windshield, and of all things, forward mounted highway pegs. The pegs are there for 2 reasons. I have long legs, and the Zuma is kind of cramped. The other reason is so I can use the entire floor to carry stuff. I intend to use this scooter to explore backroads. I have already done one 700 mile trip on it. But it isn't freeway legal either. So I was seriously considering getting a maxi scooter, like the Silverwing, Majesty, or one of the Suzuki Burgmans for freeway use.

Now, I really do prefer small scooters, anything big should be a motorcycle. But there is the need for comfort. Mid sized cruisers provide that comfort, and I have had a boatload of them. The one I currently have has 77,000 miles on it (all mine) and while it has been mostly trouble free, I don't know how much longer it is going to last. I was considering the maxi scooter as a replacement for it. I wanted a change from cruisers, even though I have nothing against them. Then Honda cones out with this CVX thing, a motorcycle that does not look like a cruiser or a scooter, but has all the benefits of both. I still have to see one, sit on it, and hopefully test ride it. But it sure looks good to me. I have already decided on the black base model with a manual transmission and no ABS. I will add the rack, backrest, and bags later, a little at the time.

And I definitely plan on using it as an adventure bike. There are 12 states out of the lower 48 that I have not yet been to, and most of them are on the other side of the country from me. I want to fill up my map. It sure seems to me this is a much better adventure bike than a GSXR, R1, CBR-RR, etc. IMO those things don't even belong on the street.


And talk about boring, try riding across the country on a KLR650 or DR650 or something of that type, and tell me it is not drop dead boring. And the seat is like sitting on a 2x4.
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