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Old 02-07-2013, 06:36 PM   #46
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No, the crosstourer is the VFR on stilts, not the vfr1200.

As for killing bikes I general, it is usually because of rising emissions standards, either in Europe, Japan, or here. I can't think those are a bad thing.





That is a matter of subjective opinion. Aesthetics are cyclical, and the only people I hear complaining about modern styled bikes like the new cb500's are old people, either in heart or in body.
Very true, I think the 700 series are knock out gorgeous ( and I am the same age as JerryH); I like the 700s better but it isnt available in the US and I like the 500 series very much; still waiting on the msrp for the 500x to be announced. If I get rid of either of my bikes, it is going to be replaced with either the 500 or 700 x model.
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Old 02-07-2013, 07:18 PM   #47
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Judging from the dark picture and googling "Honda 700s" I am predicting this is the "New" bike. Or the crossrunner thingy, both of which I'm glad Honda made.
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Old 02-07-2013, 08:01 PM   #48
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Back in the early 2000s, Honda made some great bikes that are now gone. The Valkyrie and Valkyrie Interstate, The Magna, the 750 and 250 Nighthawks, the Shadow VLX (which outran ALL the Shadow 750s) the Shadow Sabre 1100 and Spirit 1100, which were great real world cruisers, and the ST1100, for those who like sport touring bikes. The only one still left is the Rebel 250. The only thing Honda makes now that I might like is the CB1100 and the Goldwing FB6. The FB6 is out of my price range, but it's a neat idea. NOT nearly as neat as the original Valkyrie though. So while Yamaha, Kawasaki, and Suzuki has several bikes I like, Honda has nothing. The 700 and 500 twins are to ugly to be seen in public on, no matter how they ride.


Nobody makes decent dirt bikes now, having switched from 2 stroke to 4 stroke, but you can blame the EPA for that.

As for Honda cars, they have always been drop dead boring, with the exception of the mid '70s Civic, and the NSX, if you count Acura, but again too expensive. My sisters Mazda Miata is tons of fun for a low price. The only true Japanese sports car seems to be the Nissan GTR.

Ha, funny how totally opposite opinions can be!

All the Honda bikes you mention, (exception the CB1100, ST1100 but I still wouldn't own one) are beyond hideous abominations to me. Couldn't pay me to own or ride any of those.

...and since I am an incredibly happy NC700X owner, well apparently my take on them is obvious
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Old 02-07-2013, 08:08 PM   #49
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Doubt it's the crossrunner. Only reason they stopped selling the VFR800 here was due to emissions.

Besides, isn't it a bit presumptuous of Honda to pretend to release "an entirely new series" of motorcycles that have been for sale for a while now overseas? Does Honda just assume their entire fan base doesn't know how to use google?

At least I'm hoping this is a brand new line of motorcycles. Here's hoping they surprise us.
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Old 02-07-2013, 08:17 PM   #50
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More ramblings on the MSX125...

By "new series", I'm assuming that this bike would not be related in any way to other Honda models that already exist. I haven't really looked much into the MSX125 before today, so I don't know if they're planning on other "Modern Street X-treme" models, but this would certainly qualify as the beginning of a totally new series of bikes, at least from Honda's standpoint. Looking over a few videos, it strikes me as a fun little bike for urban street users and a nice alternative to a scooter for someone that doesn't want to step up to a full-sized bike. I have no idea what pricing would be like.
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Old 02-07-2013, 08:17 PM   #51
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Ha, funny how totally opposite opinions can be!

All the Honda bikes you mention, (exception the CB1100, ST1100 but I still wouldn't own one) are beyond hideous abominations to me. Couldn't pay me to own or ride any of those.

...and since I am an incredibly happy NC700X owner, well apparently my take on them is obvious


blasphemy! The Honda 1100 V-twin may be the most reliable motor ever to power two wheels down the road. Ihad one (vt1100 shadow) and it was a blast to ride. I would have another in a heartbeat.
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Old 02-07-2013, 08:31 PM   #52
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The NC700X is the first new Honda motorcycle in many years that actually interests me. I am kinda interested in this announcement however. Not that I am in the market for a new bike, but I like to see the manufactorers bring out new products and not just keep redoing older ones with new paint schemes. I have found the products that Kawasaki and Yamaha have come out with over the last few years much more exciting and interesting. BMW and Triumph have also brought out much more interesting and exciting products than Honda, IMO. It is good to see Honda coming out with new products over the last few years, even if I haven't really cared for many of them personally.

As far as Honda producing interesting and exciting CARS.......I find being able to spend more money and time on motorcycles, and less on cars, a good thing. If I want exciting and interesting, I have my bikes. Therefore I will keep driving my 2004 CRV with 240,000 miles....paid for, runs like new, never a problem, can tow a small trailer with no problem, and has 4wd, with decent gas mileage.....not exciting to drive, but I have bikes!
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Old 02-07-2013, 08:35 PM   #53
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blasphemy! The Honda 1100 V-twin may be the most reliable motor ever to power two wheels down the road. Ihad one (vt1100 shadow) and it was a blast to ride. I would have another in a heartbeat.
The engine, sign me up The whole cruiser thing, not so much

Some kind of plain bike or a flat tracker-esque host for the motor and I would perk up. I don't care for the exhaust noise those engine configurations make, though. I can't abide the "potato potato" sound unless it's muffled to absolute death.
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Old 02-07-2013, 08:39 PM   #54
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After manipulating a copy of the image in Photoshop, I"m going to retract my guess of the MSX125.
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Old 02-07-2013, 08:44 PM   #55
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Old 02-07-2013, 10:08 PM   #56
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No, the crosstourer is the VFR on stilts, not the vfr1200.

As for killing bikes I general, it is usually because of rising emissions standards, either in Europe, Japan, or here. I can't think those are a bad thing.
I don't think you're sure about what you're trying to say....the cross RUNNER is the VFR800 on stilts, the Crosstourer is the VFR1200. The 800 isn't available in the US, so effectively that was killed (unless it's released by Honda tomorrow), and since it is available in Europe, which has tighter emissions requirements, that wasn't the reason Honda dumped that motor/platform.
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Old 02-07-2013, 10:11 PM   #57
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Jerry is confused.


What do you mean? The 76 civic was da bomb!



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Announcing the all new Honda CTX




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Old 02-08-2013, 01:38 AM   #59
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Look at where the foot pegs are? DN-01-ized NC700S?

CTX700 & CTX700N



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Honda Announces the CTX700N and CTX700, the First Models of the CTX Series Bringing Customers the Comfort Technology Experience

CHICAGO, Illinois, U.S.A., February 8, 2013 - Honda today unveiled the CTX700N naked model and the CTX700 model equipped with cowls at the International Motorcycle Show in Chicago as the first motorcycles embodying Honda's new CTX (Comfort Technology Experience) concept.


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The CTX series was developed from the new "Comfort Technology Experience" concept dreamed up by Honda. The CTX delivers maneuverability and comfort brought by coupling a low center of gravity with less tiring low-vibration characteristics to realize an uninterrupted stress-free ride even as the distance adds up. Excellence in both stability and cornering offers users quiet and stable high-speed cruising. On top of this, the super-controllable engine characteristics found in the CTX series realize a smooth launch, speed changes and decelerating combined with smooth power response. Honda has thus achieved a level of comfort never experienced before through its pursuit of super-controllability accomplished by the best-fitting engine characteristics for every condition.

The CTX styling inherits Honda's own "horizontal motive design" from its flagship model, the GL1800 (GOLDWING) - a model enjoying high acclaim worldwide. From the overall styling all the way down to the very details including the seat and silencer, the horizontal motive design melds harmony with functional beauty.

The CTX series incorporating Honda's technologies seeks to reduce susceptibility to variations in the riders' experience and body size and offers a comfortable ride for any rider. These models also give users the opportunity to experience a stress-free ride in a wide variety of uses, from long-distance rides to street transport.

Equipped with the liquid-cooled inline 2-cylinder 670cc engine designed for compactness and a low center of gravity, the CTX700N and CTX700 announced today are entering the market as the first CTX series.

These new models sprung from Honda's "Comfort Technology Experience" concept, and were developed under the keywords of "easy, comfortable and exhilarating." The models feature a compact, low-center-of-gravity engine full of torque and producing a delightful throbbing feel in the low- to mid-speed ranges together with a smooth high-quality controllability that remains true to the goals of superior fuel efficiency and easy handling, featuring the liquid-cooled, inline, 2-cylinder 670cc engine design.

Putting the compact engine to its best use, the CTX700N and CTX700 support a wheelbase of 1,530mm. Nimbleness and high cornering performance are attained by a centralized mass achieved by the placement of heavy components near the vehicle's center of gravity and by optimizing the front-rear weight distribution. Engine mount position and frame rigidity balance have also been optimized to reduce vehicle body vibration while lowering the weight and offering the reassurance of straightforward handling.

For the frame and suspension, Honda's original horizontal motive styling comes configured with a newly designed rear sub-frame (seat rail), resulting in only 720mm of seat height to provide a vehicle standard with a sense of security. A framework that exploits the toughness of steel pipes realizes a high degree of responsiveness and flexibility against ever-changing road surfaces. In addition to enjoying excellent riding stability and turning performance, the rider can enjoy the high-quality riding taste featuring the right amount of pleasing vibrations. Bringing these features all together, the CTX700N and CTX700 have been perfected as models that are less susceptible to the riders' experience and body size in order to offer a comfortable ride for all riders.

The riding position is set with a high degree of freedom in mind so that the greatest number of customers can enjoy riding in suitable positions accommodating the wider variety of physiques found around the world. Comfort is at hand in a diversity of situations including rides that start in a congested urban area or travel along a highway or outside the city. The seat also delivers a ride with a sense of security through optimized hardness and shape, while securing a low seat height of 720mm with good ground reach facilitated by the seat shape. Passenger movement is in no way hindered over the delightfully enjoyable, long comfortable rides. At the same time, a step position that allows the passenger to extend their feet forward brings even more improvement to the riding position's degree of freedom.

For styling, Honda's unique and stout horizontal motive design was selected in Honda's quest to give the rider a sense of freedom through the up-close feel embodying the world view of the GOLDWING (GL1800), known for nimble transport on the street and a stress-free ride. The models are nimbly configured with a low center of gravity using a shape that honors the horizontal motive design. The forward glare of the front face and the "front-massive form" convey an impression from the front of a mass so dense that no concept like this has existed before.

To enable the widest possible variety of customers to ride with a sense of security, model types incorporating more lightweight, compact and highly useful DCT (dual clutch transmission) will be available for both the CTX700N and CTX700. Also adopting ABS (anti-lock brake system) as standard equipment, these model types with DCT will offer the user an "easy, comfortable and exhilarating" ride so that a broad spectrum of customers can experience riding comfort in a simple and easy way.

The CTX700N and CTX700 make use of a diversity of comfort technologies thought up by Honda. We are bringing these models to market to give a wider variety of customers than before the opportunity to experience the appeal of stress free, exceedingly comfortable motorcycle.
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