Wanna be electrician can't figure thus out.

Bob Tosi · 02-07-2013, 10:23 PM

I'm trying to get my new dishwasher installed. My problem is I have no power at the outlet. It us a single Romex in the box. I've checked all the surrounding outlets and switches hoping to find the leg off to the dishwasher outlet, but I can find the feed to the dishwasher outlet. I tried to tone out the wire to the breaker panel but nothing. The breaker marked "dishwasher has power leaving so I'm essentially lost now.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

kirkster70 · 02-07-2013, 10:34 PM

It shouldn't be wired this way, but possibly a tripped GFCI outlet in the kitchen that feeds the dishwasher? I've seen stranger things than that...

Was it hot before? How long ago?

I've also seen bathroom and outside GFCI receptacles feeding kitchen loads and vice-versa. It's not supposed to be that way, but it's more common than you think. Might be a good place to look, anyway.

Benesesso · 02-08-2013, 04:08 AM

Try replacing the circuit breaker for the dishwasher.

WoodButcher · 02-08-2013, 06:15 AM

The switch by the disposal switch is on, right?

Bob Tosi · 02-08-2013, 08:06 AM

Switch by disposal is on. It had power then quit??????

There's no short or ground fault on the line. It's like it's open somewhere.

trailNtent · 02-08-2013, 08:14 AM

Around here it would be wired so that one of the receptacles on the yoke is hot all the time for the dishwasher, the other is switched for the disposal. Are you sure you're plugged into the right one? Do you have a 3 wire romex in the box?

Kafn8td · 02-08-2013, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirkster70

I've also seen bathroom and outside GFCI receptacles feeding kitchen loads and vice-versa. It's not supposed to be that way, but it's more common than you think. Might be a good place to look, anyway.

You've been to my house! Blow dryer in the upstairs bathroom and microwave at the same time and pop.

SPEIRMOOR · 02-08-2013, 08:35 AM

Check the outlet with a test plug such as this one.If no power try meter/tester on the breaker and prove thats working correctly. I've seen them fail in the "ON' position.

Rocket Scientist · 02-08-2013, 11:17 AM

If its tagged in the breaker panel as "Dishwasher" I personally would remove the hot (black) wire & neutral (white) & follow suit at the dishwasher itself. With an open circuit I would then use a volt meter & double check to make sure theres no voltage across the line itself. After that is verified, I would hook up the meter in the OHM's setting & put the black wire on one side & white on the other while at the other end short the 2 together & check for a solid short across the meter. If you dont get a solid short & only get K-Ohms, more than likely you have an open side of the wire somewhere. You can use the copper (accessory ground) as a shorting side also to determine if its the hot or neutral side thats open. If the line continuity tests out, Id say its probably the breaker itself at the panel. Hope this helps.

troidus · 02-08-2013, 11:24 AM

Does the "dishwasher" breaker control the alarm clock in the master bedroom? Could be a joke by the PO.

baloneyskin daddy · 02-08-2013, 12:08 PM

If there was a short across the wires the breaker would be tripped,,check for continuity to the breaker box.more likely a break in the wires

kirkster70 · 02-08-2013, 12:11 PM

....also if someone "backstabbed" the switch instead of using the side terminal screws, that may be your problem.

gsweave · 02-08-2013, 01:41 PM

Just run a new line/with breaker

Should be updated to a individual circuit .

D.T. · 02-08-2013, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WoodButcher

The switch by the disposal switch is on, right?

+1

That one got me. DAMHIK.

Who's F'n idea was that anyway? Is it code? Has to be.

Wistrick · 02-08-2013, 06:06 PM

If you have power leaving the breaker then sound like you may have lost a neutral..(white wire) check the small slot side of the outlet to ground...If you get 120v then u have neutral problem.....IIf you still stuck PM me...

Dan
IBEW 441

02-07-2013, 10:23 PM	#1
Bob Tosi ^OP Beastly Adventurer Joined: Sep 2008 Location: Chico, Ca Oddometer: 1,592	Wanna be electrician can't figure thus out. I'm trying to get my new dishwasher installed. My problem is I have no power at the outlet. It us a single Romex in the box. I've checked all the surrounding outlets and switches hoping to find the leg off to the dishwasher outlet, but I can find the feed to the dishwasher outlet. I tried to tone out the wire to the breaker panel but nothing. The breaker marked "dishwasher has power leaving so I'm essentially lost now. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. __________________ When you're lost in the wild and scared as a child. And death looks you bang in the eye, and your sore as a boil, its according to Hoyle to cock your revolver... and die. But the code of a man says "fight all you can" and self-dissolution is barred. In hunger and woe, its easy to blow... Its the hell-served-for-breakfast thats hard........Robert Service

02-07-2013, 10:34 PM	#2
kirkster70 moto junkie Joined: Aug 2008 Location: Virginia Oddometer: 1,654	It shouldn't be wired this way, but possibly a tripped GFCI outlet in the kitchen that feeds the dishwasher? I've seen stranger things than that... Was it hot before? How long ago? I've also seen bathroom and outside GFCI receptacles feeding kitchen loads and vice-versa. It's not supposed to be that way, but it's more common than you think. Might be a good place to look, anyway. kirkster70 screwed with this post 02-07-2013 at 11:28 PM

02-08-2013, 04:08 AM	#3
Benesesso Beastly Adventurer Joined: Jul 2008 Location: West of Phoenix, Arizona Oddometer: 8,508	Try replacing the circuit breaker for the dishwasher. __________________ US out of the UN, UN out of the US.

02-08-2013, 06:15 AM	#4
WoodButcher Beastly Adventurer Joined: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Oddometer: 1,650	The switch by the disposal switch is on, right? __________________ Rusty 2009 BMW R1200GS Adventure 1999 DR650 2007 DR200

02-08-2013, 08:06 AM	#5
Bob Tosi ^OP Beastly Adventurer Joined: Sep 2008 Location: Chico, Ca Oddometer: 1,592	Switch by disposal is on. It had power then quit?????? There's no short or ground fault on the line. It's like it's open somewhere. __________________ When you're lost in the wild and scared as a child. And death looks you bang in the eye, and your sore as a boil, its according to Hoyle to cock your revolver... and die. But the code of a man says "fight all you can" and self-dissolution is barred. In hunger and woe, its easy to blow... Its the hell-served-for-breakfast thats hard........Robert Service

02-08-2013, 08:14 AM	#6
trailNtent Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Jul 2008 Location: New Mexico Oddometer: 152	Around here it would be wired so that one of the receptacles on the yoke is hot all the time for the dishwasher, the other is switched for the disposal. Are you sure you're plugged into the right one? Do you have a 3 wire romex in the box?

02-08-2013, 08:35 AM	#8
SPEIRMOOR Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2010 Location: New York Oddometer: 132	Check the outlet with a test plug such as this one.If no power try meter/tester on the breaker and prove thats working correctly. I've seen them fail in the "ON' position.

02-08-2013, 11:17 AM	#9
Rocket Scientist Adventurer Joined: Jul 2012 Location: Brighton,CO Oddometer: 25	If its tagged in the breaker panel as "Dishwasher" I personally would remove the hot (black) wire & neutral (white) & follow suit at the dishwasher itself. With an open circuit I would then use a volt meter & double check to make sure theres no voltage across the line itself. After that is verified, I would hook up the meter in the OHM's setting & put the black wire on one side & white on the other while at the other end short the 2 together & check for a solid short across the meter. If you dont get a solid short & only get K-Ohms, more than likely you have an open side of the wire somewhere. You can use the copper (accessory ground) as a shorting side also to determine if its the hot or neutral side thats open. If the line continuity tests out, Id say its probably the breaker itself at the panel. Hope this helps.

02-08-2013, 11:24 AM	#10
troidus Beastly Adventurer Joined: Sep 2010 Oddometer: 6,947	Does the "dishwasher" breaker control the alarm clock in the master bedroom? Could be a joke by the PO.

02-08-2013, 12:08 PM	#11
baloneyskin daddy bikaholic Joined: Oct 2009 Location: southcentral PA. Oddometer: 1,536	If there was a short across the wires the breaker would be tripped,,check for continuity to the breaker box.more likely a break in the wires

02-08-2013, 12:11 PM	#12
kirkster70 moto junkie Joined: Aug 2008 Location: Virginia Oddometer: 1,654	....also if someone "backstabbed" the switch instead of using the side terminal screws, that may be your problem.

02-08-2013, 01:41 PM	#13
gsweave Yinz, blinkers are on. Joined: Apr 2005 Location: The Paris of Appalachia Oddometer: 9,976	Just run a new line/with breaker Should be updated to a individual circuit . __________________ If your looking for me. I will be at Rella's eating Blackberry pie. http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=791094 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ampAFmwP_E

02-08-2013, 06:06 PM	#15
Wistrick Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Nov 2007 Oddometer: 233	If you have power leaving the breaker then sound like you may have lost a neutral..(white wire) check the small slot side of the outlet to ground...If you get 120v then u have neutral problem.....IIf you still stuck PM me... Dan IBEW 441

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