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Old 02-08-2013, 04:34 PM   #1
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Spark help...Motorrad Elektrik Ignition

Hi everybody,
OK, my 93 GSPD, ... I just bought the electronic ignition upgrade and Dyna coil. I put the coil on last night, bike runs great. Today I install the ignition and now I've got no spark.

Has anyone done this mod with similar issues?

It has to be something simple.
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Old 02-08-2013, 05:55 PM   #2
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Are the wires connected correctly? Do you need a copy of the installation instructions?
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Old 02-09-2013, 05:15 AM   #3
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I believe so,

I followed the instructions which seem pretty straight forward, the new bean can clips into original plug.

The ignition itself plugs into the original plug behind the coil.

And that should be it.

Very frustrating.

The shaft which slides into and butts up to the cam is supposedly "offset" so that it cannot be in incorrectly, I never really saw the "offset" part but for sure I am butted against the engine correctly.

I am guessing I will tear it back down and put all the original back onto it and see if I can bring her back to life.

To be honest, Rick at Motoraad has made it an interesting event, forgot to put 2 bolts in the box which are needed to mount the new coil bracket, he apologized for that. Then I called him again and told him the ignition will not fit because the coil is too large behind it, and he said, "Oh I forgot to grind down the post on the coil since you are doing new coil and new ignition, so just cut that part of the coil post off with a hacksaw". I did not like doing that at all but thats what he said to do.

So, my feeling right now is just remove it all and send it back, maybe start over later with someone elses upgrade.
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Old 02-09-2013, 05:35 AM   #4
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Ricks's mounting bracket for dyna coils could use a little work. The one I have came VERY close to shorting one of the coil's terminals. I mean less than a mm before I filed it down a bit. Look out for that.
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Old 02-09-2013, 06:04 AM   #5
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I agree with Cholo9

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Ricks's mounting bracket for dyna coils could use a little work. The one I have came VERY close to shorting one of the coil's terminals. I mean less than a mm before I filed it down a bit. Look out for that.
I agree Airhead and it's not so much a problem it's just that if you know beforehand you can prepare for that stuff in the time you have to install and the tools you will need. It's just having to realize that midway in the install is frustrating.
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Old 02-09-2013, 07:00 AM   #6
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Would agree that all the above complaints or comments are valid but just for the sake of some perspective for someone who might be new to this, Rick is a trusted, knowledgeable, long time vendor and all around good guy with a great product line and a willingness to help troubleshoot electrical issues over the phone etc. etc. Carry on....
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Old 02-09-2013, 07:02 AM   #7
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Would agree that all the above complaints are valid but just for the sake of some perspective for someone who might be new to this, Rick is a trusted, knowledgeable, long time vendor and all around good guy with a great product line and a willingness to help troubleshoot electrical issues over the phone etc. etc. Carry on....
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Old 02-09-2013, 07:22 AM   #8
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Agreed

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Would agree that all the above complaints or comments are valid but just for the sake of some perspective for someone who might be new to this, Rick is a trusted, knowledgeable, long time vendor and all around good guy with a great product line and a willingness to help troubleshoot electrical issues over the phone etc. etc. Carry on....
I agree with you, I don't by any means mean to beat the guy up but my 1st experience has been my only experience so far and maybe I just got him at a bad time.

And yes he seems great on the toll free line but no weekends and no after 5pm, just shy of a bank operating hours.
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Old 02-09-2013, 07:31 AM   #9
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I think you have a valid complaint that needs resolution. Being that you are a fellow South Florida resident let me know if you are ever interested in sharing tools, extra help etc. Good luck with it. I can sympathize as I'm suffering with some electrical issues on my r100.
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Old 02-09-2013, 07:33 AM   #10
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Hey Kaput

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I think you have a valid complaint that needs resolution. Being that you are a fellow South Florida resident let me know if you are ever interested in sharing tools, extra help etc. Good luck with it. I can sympathize as I'm suffering with some electrical issues on my r100.

Absolutely we should get connected, I thought I was alone down here. I have a coffee with a few guys on their 1150's but beyond that I thought I was a lone duck.

I'm in Miami so let me know whenever.
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Old 02-09-2013, 07:39 AM   #11
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Hey Patrick, re: post #5's title--thanks for agreeing with me!

But what did I say? I didn't post in this thread (yet).
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Old 02-09-2013, 02:50 PM   #12
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Update

Ok, so I pulled the electronic Alpha bean can and ignition and put the stock one back on.

Hit start and wammo, fired right up.

Timed her and off I rode. Damn thing was a bat out of hell.

Era to ear grin. Came back to house, parked to put the cover back on the front. Started it up one more time just to feel the quick start....Nada...zip...0.
_uck__ A___!! # &^$*) !!!!

So, took tank off again, wiggled coil wire, wammo fired right up.

Died, .... never started again.

So you would think...ok coil, nope, I put the original back on and nada. So.

[B]MY NEW QUESTION IS...
WHATS NEXT?
DIODE?
BETTER WAY TO TROUBLE SHOOT THE NO SPARK ISSUE?
DOES THIS SOUND SIMILAR TO ANYTHING ANYONE ELSE HAS GONE THROUGH?
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Old 02-09-2013, 03:39 PM   #13
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Yep, been there, as most likely most of us have. If you are having problems after recent work it is most likely the result of something you have done. Either knowingly or unknowingly.

Take your time and carefully go back over your work. It may be something simple or it may be a broken wire you can not see. Be methodical in your approach, Jumping willy nilly from component to component will only frustrate you more. Verify voltages, signals, and continuity of wires if needed.

Good luck and let us know what you find.

P.S. I have seen coils short out when a gas tank was reinstalled due to poor positioning.


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Old 02-09-2013, 04:47 PM   #14
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Totally with Mike.

1. Wait until tomorrow.

2. Start by doing nothing but thinking and looking.

3. Don't consider anything that you haven't recently touched.

4. Remove anything recently changed.

5. K.I.S.S.

6. Don't completely discount hunches, but be logical and systematic.

7. If necessary, stop, self-medicate, and resume at a later time.
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Old 02-09-2013, 05:31 PM   #15
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Not to highjack this threat, but what motivates folks to go with these new ignitions? Do they actually improve performance or are they installed simply because the old airhead systems are becoming failure prone?
I ask because last year I was stranded in Nevada when the ignition on my 1988 R100GS packed it in. I'm planning on putting many, many more miles on my 1983 R100RS. Should I be replacing the charging and ignition components with new, just as preventive maintenance steps?
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