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Old 02-20-2013, 07:35 PM   #226
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Only issue I see with that if you really want to tour a Dival is fuel capacity. They spec it at 17l or 4.5 gallons which in my experience with Ducati means you'd run dry at less than 4 gallons used. Knowing how hard it is to ride a bike like that without pinning the throttle I'd be lucky to get 120 between fuel stops.
Your road king can probabaly do 200+ without sweating...
Mentioning the Diavel brings up the one bike that some (a few, perhaps) H-D owners would ever consider as an alternate. It's arguably the best cruiser out there, as far as all-around perrformance is concerned.

Took one out last year (a Diavel Carbon) and it was a wild ride. Incredible grunt, solid mid-range, and a 162 total hp on tap. It even handles.

It's heavy for a Ducati (over 500 lbs wet) but carries it's weight well. I'm not so sure I prefer the looks of the bike, but, like it or not, it is one of a kind.
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Old 02-20-2013, 07:49 PM   #227
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Why not? Do you like both vanilla and chocolate?

If I had a budget, and garage that would handle 3 bikes they would include a Harley AND a Duc. Specifically, a Monster 1100 Evo and a Road Glide
But alas, it's about compromise for me
That's right. You're correct.

Take automobiles. I own an '02 BMW M3 and an '06 Chrysler 300/SRT8. You would never think a BMW owner would ever consider buying a Chrysler product - and before 2005 I never would have. The SRT8 is an incredible performance machine AND a bargain. It's also the most reliable car I've ever owned - by a wide margin. I didn't expect that.

People can think outside the box, if they are truly open and perceptive, and don't really care what others think. That goes for Motorcycles, too.

My next Motorcycle? A 2013 Honda cb1100 ABS. On Order. May Delivery.

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Old 02-20-2013, 08:08 PM   #228
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Why buy a Harley???




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Old 02-20-2013, 08:10 PM   #229
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Cuz YOU WANT ONE, and you KNOW IT!
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Old 02-20-2013, 09:49 PM   #230
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If you WANT a Harley, nothing else will do. I doubt that very few Harley owners even considered anything else. A Victory and a Harley are both v-twin cruisers. That's all they have in common. I don't see how you could possibly compare the two, or consider both. You are going to want one or the other. The Victory has far more in common with a Japanese v-twin cruiser than a Harley. I get a kick out of watching motorcycle magazines comparing Harleys to other bikes. Anyone wanting a Harley is going to buy a Harley just because it's a Harley. They are not going to compare features, they will overlook any and all of it's shortcomings. A Harley is so unique in the motorcycle world that it completely defies comparison with anything else. Harley buyers have no doubts whatsoever about what they want.
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Old 02-20-2013, 10:03 PM   #231
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Old 02-20-2013, 11:43 PM   #232
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If you WANT a Harley, nothing else will do. I doubt that very few Harley owners even considered anything else. A Victory and a Harley are both v-twin cruisers. That's all they have in common. I don't see how you could possibly compare the two, or consider both. You are going to want one or the other. The Victory has far more in common with a Japanese v-twin cruiser than a Harley. I get a kick out of watching motorcycle magazines comparing Harleys to other bikes. Anyone wanting a Harley is going to buy a Harley just because it's a Harley. They are not going to compare features, they will overlook any and all of it's shortcomings. A Harley is so unique in the motorcycle world that it completely defies comparison with anything else. Harley buyers have no doubts whatsoever about what they want.
I suppose I am in the minority, but I have always had Japanese bikes up until I got the Nightster. I had a V-Star three bikes before this, and I don't consider it much different than a Harley. It ran smoother and had a better quality feel, but it was pretty close in most respects. What makes a Harley a Harley? Pushrods, oil tanks, single crank pins, belt drives, and handlebar mounted turn signals? Irrelevant. I don't see what is so unique about them. I think Buells were far more unique than anything else with the Harley name on it, but that wasn't always a good thing.
This may very well be the only Harley I ever own. It's not that I don't like it, it's just that there are so many other bikes that I do like but haven't owned yet.
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Old 02-21-2013, 12:39 AM   #233
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Hey they guy asked why buy a harley? I agree, why buy a harley when there are much better options available.

I also am an idiot and ride like one. I will likely end up dead the way I toss that Vision around, but at least there will be a smile on my face.

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Old 02-21-2013, 03:02 AM   #234
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Talk me into why I should buy a Electra Glide?
Could be last real motorcycle.....may stay with scooter next or trike of some kind
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OK, to take it all the way back to the OP's question.

I just bought an 04 Harley Road King myself. I bought it because it fit and felt like no other bike I'd ridden. For me, at this stage of my life, that old man 'geezer glide" is almost perfect. I never did tear up corners, I've always preferred to putter around gawking at the world as it unfolds. I'm short, and I'm tired of bikes that I tippy-toe or have to stretch out to reach the handlebars on. No problem with making a Harley fit me. With age comes carpel tunnel and other ailments that make my hands go numb is seconds on many bikes. Not this Harley. The grips are fat and buzz free.

I've no interest in talking you into a bike, or not. All I'll say is go ride one and see if it makes your heart go pitter-patter in your chest. If it does, get one and ride with a happy grin. If it doesn't, find something else that makes your heart sing. For me, the one that sang that siren song was a Road King. And I've never been on a Harley until that first test ride, by accident, just a few months ago.
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:13 AM   #235
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The above post is awesome!
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:27 AM   #236
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Like I said, H-Ds are nice bikes, but a good portion of their owners remind me of religious fanatics or global warming alarmists. They wouldn't even consider another bike, even when the evidence of the other bike's overall superior performance is staring them in the face.

It's an old problem. Here's a paragraph from Cycle Magazine's 1973 Superbike Test:

A quick look at the participating motor-cycles: the Sportster has changed more between 1972 and 1973 than it has between any other two model years. For one thing you Sportster owners are going to have to expunge for your vocabulary one of your favorite phrases: Cheap Japanese Junk. The 1973 Sportster has new forks this year made (guess where?) in Japan. And so are the mufflers. Between the highly improved front forks glistens a new Kelsey-Hayes hydraulic disc brake. The XLCH also has benefited from a new steering head casting, matte-black crankcases, and red, white, and blue laser stripes disposed in a semi-sunburst pat-tern on the black fuel tank. As we were to find out shortly the mufflers, while admirably efficient in their noise-control capacity, are punishingly restrictive. Still, the bike retains those qualities that have made it one of the world’s most popular motorcycles since its introduction in 1957: It’s big, demanding and masculine, and it projects the image of a bruiser. But everybody knows by now that the Sportster’s crackling performance image is at variance with its own performance figures. Nobody who buys it gives a damn.

"Nobody who buys it gives a damn." The next paragraph is equally enlightening:

The Honda CB750 is as restrained and as mature as the Sportster is blustery; it’s un-matched for sophistication and thoughtful development. Like the startling Kawasaki 903 the Honda is a broad-spectrum motor-cycle whose appeal spreads in all directions, a motorcycle capable of doing anything and everything consistent with the pleasurable transportation of a human being down a stretch of paved road. Like the 903 the Honda is harshly restricted by the parameters of a test like this one; while it can do every-thing necessary to give a good account of itself, it can do so much more.
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:27 AM   #237
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If you WANT a Harley, nothing else will do. I doubt that very few Harley owners even considered anything else......Anyone wanting a Harley is going to buy a Harley just because it's a Harley. They are not going to compare features, they will overlook any and all of it's shortcomings. A Harley is so unique in the motorcycle world that it completely defies comparison with anything else. Harley buyers have no doubts whatsoever about what they want.
This.

I'm a child of the consumer reports world.
I'll read infinite reviews on which pair of gloves I should buy before I commit.
But when I finally had an opportunity to buy a new motorcycle,
no other mark was considered.

I think new is the operative word.
Most new bikes look like junk already;
thinking about what bike I'd be happy with in 20 years,
well, Harleys age nicely.

I went in to look at Road Kings,
saw a switchback, rode it and bought it.
Never saw one review until well after I signed the papers.
My heart lead the way on this one.

I didn't buy it because it was fast,
I didn't buy it because it handles well (although remarkably more nimble than my sportie ever was).
I wanted an old truck of a bike and I got one.


There has been some talk about age on this thread.
I'm 28, been riding for 11 years.
I've had one HD before this one, an 06 1200R.
Before that, about 12 other bikes.
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:38 AM   #238
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no shit, bloodweiser is 28? His posts always catch my eye for not being totally full of shit, regurgitated BS that any old dipshit with a monitor can spew. I'm 31, and I too am a younger than average HD rider.
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:42 AM   #239
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Like I said, H-Ds are nice bikes, but a good portion of their owners remind me of religious fanatics or global warming alarmists. They wouldn't even consider another bike, even when the evidence of the other bike's overall superior performance is staring them in the face.

"Nobody who buys it gives a damn."
For me, and many others, I suspect, numbers are only part of the performance. I wouldn't buy a cbr. Not because the performance numbers are lacking, but because it doesn't "do it" for me. I wouldn't buy a subaru WRX for the same reason. A Harley has plenty of power for the way I ride, which does not include track riding or riding a road like it was a track. It looks fucking awesome, and I like them. End of story. If numbers were the only game in town, motorcycles would not interest me in the least.

Let's look at it like this.... I like Harley's for the same reason I like oldsmobiles... because I do.
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:49 AM   #240
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yep. numbers are a pretty small part of it for me. it's the "feel" that sold me on HD bikes.

I've always had a hard on for Ducati monsters. Until I test rode one. Jesus christ the thing felt like a little toy. I couldn't ride that any distance at all. It felt so insignificant. I still drool over them. I still want to own one one day and learn to maintain it myself. but wtf, I just really didn't like the way it rode. The posture was good, the sound was great, but something just didn't click with me.
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