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Old 02-15-2013, 05:18 PM   #31
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That's on the low end of oil capacity for a diesel...

but ya, with synthetic I'm sure you can easily get 10,000 mile intervals.
+2 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sprinter has 13 qts at $6-10 per qt with roughly 10,000 mile interval.
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Old 02-15-2013, 08:48 PM   #32
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Don't get me wrong, I like to shift my own gears too.
But they put that 8 speed in there for a reason, and my guess is efficiency. Even a 6 speed stick wouldn't keep the engine in its happy place like that 8 speed, and anything higher or lower than the sweet spot won't yield the best MPG.
If I recall, the 8 speed is standard fare for the gas truck now too.
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Old 02-15-2013, 09:20 PM   #33
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If I recall, the 8 speed is standard fare for the gas truck now too.
IIRC, not the 4.7.
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Old 02-15-2013, 09:53 PM   #34
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Great. Now the flatbillers won't even have to scratch together 3/4 ton money to have a lifted, tuned, coal spewing piece of shit to drive to the mall.
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Old 02-16-2013, 06:41 AM   #35
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If I recall, the 8 speed is standard fare for the gas truck now too.
Coming, but not here just yet. Magazines are writing reviews but the public has not seen it in anything other then the V6. See if they can make this better then the A604
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Old 02-16-2013, 07:01 AM   #36
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The Cummins inline-six has to be a cheaper engine to build than the V, and it wouldn't be hard to just have a standard output version which could hit those lower hp/torque numbers.
The weight (1000 lbs +) of the 5.9 takes it out of the 1/2 ton market.

The 3.0 V6 is half that.
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Old 02-16-2013, 07:03 AM   #37
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Just so you guys know, the engine is a Fiat piece. So why is Chrysler doing this now? Because Fiat actually makes some decent decisions. All the improvements in Chrysler cars and trucks have appeared after Fiat took the helm.
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Old 02-16-2013, 08:03 AM   #38
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Great. Now the flatbillers won't even have to scratch together 3/4 ton money to have a lifted, tuned, coal spewing piece of shit to drive to the mall.
There's hope. A tuning company (Edge? Banks?) was recently called out and fined by the EPA for selling products that allow consumers to circumvent emissions laws by dumping too much fuel into the engine and causing that black cloud that is the visible equivalent of a Harley's open exhaust.
In stock trim, new diesels are practically air cleaners

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Just so you guys know, the engine is a Fiat piece. So why is Chrysler doing this now? Because Fiat actually makes some decent decisions. All the improvements in Chrysler cars and trucks have appeared after Fiat took the helm.
fiat/GM...
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Old 02-16-2013, 08:12 AM   #39
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The weight (1000 lbs +) of the 5.9 takes it out of the 1/2 ton market.

The 3.0 V6 is half that.
Holy crap, 1000 pounds of engine? Wow.
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Old 02-16-2013, 08:19 AM   #40
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Holy crap, 1000 pounds of engine? Wow.
It was designed for the medium duty truck market.
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Old 02-16-2013, 08:51 AM   #41
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That Cummins 6 is just a fantasic engine... I had one in my '02 Dodge and it was amazing! I should have never sold that truck- I've been looking for another and they are $15-20K with 200K miles...

As for the Fiat diesel, I was hoping it was German made, but I'm kinda skeetched on the Fiat name over here in the U.S.
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Old 02-16-2013, 09:10 AM   #42
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I wouldn't worry about it....Fiat has more experience building engines, particularly smaller diesel engines, than most companies.
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Old 02-16-2013, 09:23 AM   #43
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Sure would be nice to see that motor in a new Wrangler!
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Old 02-16-2013, 09:28 AM   #44
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Egr

The EGR system on that diesel is the big question in my mind. If its going to be an afterthought like it was on the 4-cylinder version VM_Motori in the Patriot I'm going to wait to see how it sorts out because that last go round had problems.

I haven't read the tech docs yet to see if its a single engine design for Europe and US, or if we will have to get some special emissions system to pass EPA regs. Anyone know? Maybe too early yet.

Oh, and FORD are you listening???
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Old 02-16-2013, 09:50 AM   #45
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Sure would be nice to see that motor in a new Wrangler!
If it would get 30 MPG, yes. But considering the Wrangler is as aerodynamic as a shoebox, I'm not sure this engine in a Wrangler can achieve the extra mileage required to offset the extra cost of diesel fuel in the U.S.
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