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Old 02-17-2013, 12:33 PM   #16
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I've gone from R1150 GSA to ST1300 to K1200LT back to 09 R1200GS/ADV

its the best bike for a tall person
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Old 02-18-2013, 07:00 AM   #17
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Good replies all.

GSA pros
1. Rides a bit better.
2. More room for taller riders
3. Easier to work on
4. You won't tear up if you drop it
5. Can head off the beaten path
6. Will go a bit further between fuel stops
7. Even the farkles have farkles
8. Can haul more stuff

RT pros
1. Faster, noticeably faster
2. A good 5 mpg better gas mileage
3. Cruse control
4. Radio
5. Electric adjustable wind shield
6. Closer to the ground for those who are vertically challenged.
7. Marginally better wind protection
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Old 02-18-2013, 10:34 AM   #18
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I went from a 2007 GSA to a 2007 RT and now to a 2008 GSA. I will NEVER go back to an RT. It isn't that the RT is a bad bike. On paper, it is the ideal bike for my use (and yours from the sounds of it). In reality, the GSA blows it away if only for the smiles per mile.

Let's get into specifics. First is the luggage question. Large, top opening boxes are a lot easier to load and are vastly more versatile. I carry a laptop to work and it is swallowed up by the GSA luggage. I had to put it in the top box of the RT which made for a higher center of gravity and just reduced my options.

Wind protection: Believe it or not, there is little difference. The tank on the GSA protects my legs better than the RT ever did. I find there is less buffeting on the GSA than on any position of the RT short of putting it all the way up.

Cruise control: Yeah, the GSA doesn't have it. If I were a long distance rider, I might miss it. I miss it a lot less than I thought I would though.

Heated seat: Again, I don't miss it that much.

Gas mileage: Yeah, I miss that extra 5 MPG. Oh well.

Esoterics: This is why I have the GSA. I love that bike. It has soul. It begs to be flogged. It screams at me to have some fun. I may not ride off road very much, but I love knowing that I can. If a road turns to dirt, I don't stress. If I feel like taking an OHV trail, I can. If I want to cut through a pasture, I don't hesitate. I also swear the GSA handles twisties better but I have no proof other than just that feeling in my gut. I also love the strange looks the bike gets.

Again, it isn't like the RT was a bad bike. In my view, it is like a Toyota Camry. It is completely competent and does everything well but it lacks a soul. The GSA oozes personality.
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Old 02-18-2013, 11:36 AM   #19
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you can always get a throttle lock for the GSA
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Old 02-18-2013, 12:12 PM   #20
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you can always get a throttle lock for the GSA
I have one. Not even close to the same as a real cruise control. I still would take a GSA 100 times over and RT and I am glad to see BMW is making it an option for the new GS and assume it will be on the waterhead GSA when it comes out later.
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Old 02-18-2013, 02:05 PM   #21
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Thanks for the responses - any other real owner feedback will be Greatly Appreciated !

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Old 02-18-2013, 04:32 PM   #22
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I went from a 2004 1150RT to a 2012 1200GSA, Then proceded to ride the GSA to Colorado and back. The bike rode great but the seat for me sucked. Once returned I found a used Day Long Saddle. Now all is great. But the GSA trans and clutch are so much easier to operate, and the new motor is another treat.... smooth and more powerful. The bike does turn with little effort for a tall bike. It aso has lots of room to carry camping gear!

The sitting position is easier on the knees with the GSA but you sit higher up and cross winds do play with you. The bike handles well, but after riding the RT with new Ohlins for a yeaar I do miss the precise contol the better shocks provide. It does make you wonder what the GSA would be like with Ohlins. But $2200 or so is a big pill to swallow. But all in all I am happy with the bike for now. But as I get older a lower sitting BMW may be in my future.

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Old 02-18-2013, 04:33 PM   #23
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Good replies all.

GSA pros
1. Rides a bit better.
2. More room for taller riders
3. Easier to work on
4. You won't tear up if you drop it
5. Can head off the beaten path
6. Will go a bit further between fuel stops
7. Even the farkles have farkles
8. Can haul more stuff

RT pros
1. Faster, noticeably faster
2. A good 5 mpg better gas mileage
3. Cruse control
4. Radio
5. Electric adjustable wind shield
6. Closer to the ground for those who are vertically challenged.
7. Marginally better wind protection
+1

I don't have an RT but I have a buddy that has quite the stable and this is his basic assessment.

Riding on those blustery, winding road desert rides it feels that my fully laden GSA is pretty susceptible to side winds more so than riding empty. I would suppose that goes without saying much though... Those cute little dust devils? Ran through one at 85 and it blew me to the fog line on one of those semi winding desert roads. Probably - because it had a ten foot base when I rode through it..

Nasty little buggers. Every single one of them.

Good thread.
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:26 AM   #24
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I've answered this question a few times on this and other forums, but I'll happily answer it again.

Lots of people love the RT. I bought one based on the incredibly good word-of-mouth, and on prior test rides of a GS/A (thinking that they'd be very similar). 4 months and 4,000 miles later I traded the RT for a GS/A and have not looked back.

The RT is simply not built for anyone over 6' tall. No matter what, I couldn't get comfortable on it. That was bad, but what was worse was that the bike just wasn't fun to ride. Sure, it puts an impressive bubble of calm air around the rider and protects you from the elements well, but in doing so it completely disconnects you from the riding experience. It's plenty quick, and it flicks around reasonably well, but hustling the RT is simply joyless (though not as bad as a K16GTL). I found the pegs touching down in corners way too early as well.

By comparison, the GS/A puts a smile on my face every time I ride. While it gives up some weather protection, it's a much more involving ride. The wide bars make corner carving a nearly telepathic experience. You'll run out of tire before anything touches the ground. The lower gearing means it'll flat-out smoke an RT. The high seating position gives you a commanding view of the road. It can carry a ton more stuff. You don't have to take half the bike apart to do simple maintenance. All that suspension travel makes for a much more comfortable ride. And if it falls over....Big deal.

Yes, I absolutely miss cruise control; throttle locks are a poor substitute. But that is literally the only thing I wish the bike had. I couldn't care any less about the 4 or 5 MPG that I've lost.

I wouldn't get back on an RT if it was given to me.
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Old 02-19-2013, 01:06 PM   #25
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I wouldn't get back on a K1200 LT if you gave me one!
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:13 PM   #26
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RT to GSA

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I wouldn't get back on a K1200 LT if you gave me one!
I rode my GSA from North Carolina to this place . . . . .


The GSA just does everything quite well. End of story.

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Old 02-19-2013, 02:51 PM   #27
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Not that this thread is a democracy, but +1 on the GSA.
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Old 02-22-2013, 06:11 PM   #28
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I rode my GSA from North Carolina to this place . . . . .


The GSA just does everything quite well. End of story.

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Cool, Very COOL, looks like an Adventure
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Old 02-23-2013, 04:52 AM   #29
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Cool, Very COOL, looks like an Adventure
It was some serious fun. It made the ride back across Kansas tolerable.


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Old 02-24-2013, 06:30 AM   #30
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I just traded a 12 RT for a 13 GSA. Like the other inmates have said, the RT lacks soul. It's a very utilitarian bike. It does what it is designed to do very well. What it doesn't do is put a grin on your face under the helmet.

Mine never fit me. I'm 6'1". After a couple hours in the saddle, my knees and back were killing me. I have an 07 GSA too. So, even with the cruise control, heated seats, ESA and satellite radio I always jumped on the GSA. The RT just sat unless the wife wanted to ride.

The comfort of the GSA and the ability to ride anywhere make IT the clear winner in my mind.

And yes, I now own 2 GSAs. The 07 is for sale though....
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