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Old 03-11-2013, 08:43 AM   #286
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A quick question to Jenny or anyone else who has done this race. Is it true that the Pro cars start the day, then followed by the pro bikers half an hour later?
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Old 03-11-2013, 08:45 AM   #287
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A quick question to Jenny or anyone else who has done this race. Is it true that the Pro cars start the day, then followed by the pro bikers half an hour later?
Normally all cars (Porfi and Ama) start infront of Moto Profi followed by Moto Ama.
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Old 03-11-2013, 08:47 AM   #288
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Jenny said day one was pro cars followed by pro bikes, amateur bikes then ameteur cars
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Old 03-11-2013, 08:52 AM   #289
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Normally all cars (Porfi and Ama) start infront of Moto Profi followed by Moto Ama.
Fuck me, in dusty conditions that's criminal. If the Profi bikes start 30 minutes after the cars, it takes the fast riders, what, 20 minutes to catch the slowest car? What the hell are they thinking? Don't they understand that the fast bikers will be pushing to get ahead and achieve a result?

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Old 03-11-2013, 09:13 AM   #290
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Old 03-11-2013, 10:08 AM   #291
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Fuck me, in dusty conditions that's criminal. If the Profi bikes start 30 minutes after the cars, it takes the fast riders, what, 20 minutes to catch the slowest car? What the hell are they thinking? Don't they understand that the fast bikers will be pushing to get ahead and achieve a result?

That is quite true and since most cars competing are crap compared to the bikes over this terrain you are constantly overtaking. In the dust. But luckily the are quite slow like I stated earlier and overtaking is usually quite undramatic. The quads on the other hand, that's a whole different ballgame; fast, wide and very dusty to pursuit!
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Old 03-11-2013, 11:48 AM   #292
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That is quite true and since most cars competing are crap compared to the bikes over this terrain you are constantly overtaking. In the dust. But luckily the are quite slow like I stated earlier and overtaking is usually quite undramatic. The quads on the other hand, that's a whole different ballgame; fast, wide and very dusty to pursuit!
Ι still cannot get over it. There is a long hard debate to be had on what we riders should expect as minimum safety measures before signing up for any event. It has been neglected too long, and I know that this thread is not the place for it, but it needs to happen at some point, especially as I see more and more "races" pop up.
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:40 PM   #293
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Ι still cannot get over it. There is a long hard debate to be had on what we riders should expect as minimum safety measures before signing up for any event. It has been neglected too long, and I know that this thread is not the place for it, but it needs to happen at some point, especially as I see more and more "races" pop up.
You got a point but I must say that my experience from the two times I competed in the Tuareg wasn't dust from cars but from other bikes. (Last years quads weren't allowed but agree with David from other rallys I know quads are drama)
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:46 PM   #294
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:01 PM   #295
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First time riding in sand and enters a rally?

Isn't this a bit unusual? I got the impression that someone should train and train and train and train in the sand...
He's learning on the job (I will post his summary later this evening) and by all accounts doing rather well at it... to be fair though, he does hold the world record for riding a motorcycle* at over 20,000ft, so has a lot of desert experience - just not in the sand dunes...

*An interesting aside, the bike that Lukas is racing in the Tuareg Rally this year is actually the very same bike that the Husaberg Adventure Team took to the top of the Andes last year... and it still has the same tyre and mousse on the rear wheel!

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Old 03-11-2013, 02:26 PM   #296
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A quick question to Jenny or anyone else who has done this race. Is it true that the Pro cars start the day, then followed by the pro bikers half an hour later?
It depends, they do mix it up a little according to the stage terrain and projected timing - for example tomorrow (Day 4 - the 'Star Wars' day) the Profi bikes will do three laps (of approx 100kms each) of the mixed dune and piste stage, the Cars two laps, and the Amateur bikes only one lap - but tomorrow all competitors follow exactly the same route ie. there is no difference to the route for Profi vs. Amateur, or Cars vs. Bikes...

The start times/order are:

8.00am Profi Bikes

9.10am Profi Cars

9.40am Amateur Bikes

10.00am Amateur Cars

Presumably they have worked this out so that everybody stays reasonably well spaced out, and has enough time to complete their alloted number of laps before the 5pm cut-off.

However, I imagine that the Profi bikes while staying ahead of the cars for at least the first of their three laps, are quite likely to catch up with the slower cars during their second lap - and certainly catch them when the cars are on their second lap and the bikes are on their third?

Other days are different - often the Profi bike route differs to the amateur bike route (which usually take the same route as all the cars) - perhaps with a more technical section, that takes longer than expected - and therefore it is possible that even if the Profi bikes left first, the faster cars could catch up and indeed pass them before the differing routes rejoin?

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Old 03-11-2013, 02:49 PM   #297
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Positions for Team Rally Raid Sweden Day 2

http://www.stilit.se/rallyraidsweden...uareg-2013.pdf

Calle Hagenblad is suffering from fever but still top 10

Tony and Morgan, both in their first rally are doing very well, top 15
Mattias E, seeking revenge after a crash on Day 1, stage 1 in 2011 is very pleased with his performance being top 15.

9 riders out of 12 made it without penalties after Day 2.

To be continued.

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Old 03-11-2013, 03:00 PM   #298
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Whoa, cool, that "Stylish Honda Dude no 105" in the picture is my fellow Estonian countryman Toomas Triisa who is doing his first desert raid. Go Toomas!!!

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Old 03-11-2013, 03:30 PM   #299
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Whoa, cool, that "Stylish Honda Dude no 105" in the picture is my fellow Estonian countryman Toomas Triisa who is doing his first desert raid. Go Toomas!!!

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