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Old 03-02-2013, 08:01 AM   #1
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Diesel Wrangler in. 2016

I like the idea but a $4500 premium is awfully stiff.

http://www.edmunds.com/car-news/2016...el-engine.html
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Old 03-02-2013, 08:16 AM   #2
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I like the idea but a $4500 premium is awfully stiff.

http://www.edmunds.com/car-news/2016...el-engine.html
About $2500 of that will be various optional extras bundled in with the engine, a la VW.
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Old 03-02-2013, 09:42 AM   #3
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One model year earlier than I expected. I thought it would show up in '17 when they release the new Wrangler.

The likely cost premium is too high with too little return.
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Old 03-02-2013, 12:20 PM   #4
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Interesting, but they'll probably do something stupid like make it "auto only", so those of us who prefer sticks will have to pass on it.
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Old 03-02-2013, 02:47 PM   #5
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The likely cost premium is too high with too little return.

Yeap, a diesel in that is really attractive, but take an already pricey rudimentary vehicle and tack on that much more and I'm out...too bad, great combination of stuff I want.
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I like that combination also, what would that make the fi-anal price $59,000 for a Wrangler.
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Old 03-02-2013, 03:26 PM   #7
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too little to late for me I just cannot get past the fact Jeep and Dodge are no longer american owned/made.
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Old 03-02-2013, 04:08 PM   #8
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I too got tired of waiting

Have been waiting for years for the Hilux in NA or reasonable alternative. Pulled the trigger on a new Sprinter in January should be here next month. Got everything I wanted but 4X4 and a manual transmission.
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Old 03-02-2013, 04:47 PM   #9
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I like the idea but a $4500 premium is awfully stiff.

http://www.edmunds.com/car-news/2016...el-engine.html
The only way I see that working out mainstream for them is if they spec it out to be more powerful than the 3.6L gasser. But the numbers I'm seeing does not paint that picture.

Then again, I imagine they're pacing themselves, recogninzing that the penetration will not grow instantaneously. I suspect they're figuring on low volumes for several years, as the niche folks fill out the majority of their orders. So much easier to drop prices, vs. Increasing them.
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The only way I see that working out mainstream for them is if they spec it out to be more powerful than the 3.6L gasser. But the numbers I'm seeing does not paint that picture.

Then again, I imagine they're pacing themselves, recogninzing that the penetration will not grow instantaneously. I suspect they're figuring on low volumes for several years, as the niche folks fill out the majority of their orders. So much easier to drop prices, vs. Increasing them.
The numbers absolutely paint that picture. The diesel is down 45 hp compared to the gasser, but up 160 foot pounds of torque!
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I like that combination also, what would that make the fi-anal price $59,000 for a Wrangler.
With the average cost of a JK Unlimited Rubicon at $40,000, I figure adding 3 model years and the diesel premium will make it cost in the range of $50,000 depending on options
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Old 03-02-2013, 07:14 PM   #12
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The numbers absolutely paint that picture. The diesel is down 45 hp compared to the gasser, but up 160 foot pounds of torque!
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With the average cost of a JK Unlimited Rubicon at $40,000, I figure adding 3 model years and the diesel premium will make it cost in the range of $50,000 depending on options
The trick will be to find enough people to eat the depreciation on these things. I'm sure there will plenty on Advrider clamoring for used examples that are 2 years old with 20k of mileage for....maybe 10 grand or so?
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Old 03-03-2013, 09:28 AM   #15
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The trick will be to find enough people to eat the depreciation on these things. I'm sure there will plenty on Advrider clamoring for used examples that are 2 years old with 20k of mileage for....maybe 10 grand or so?
If current trends continue there won't be much depreciation. I'm on Wrangler #6 and have been buying them off & on since 1994. I speak from experience.

My '09 Rubicon was purchased new. I drove it for 3 years and 10 months, put 37,000 miles on it, and just traded it on a new one in December. I bought the new one under invoice - not always the easiest deal to get on a new Unlimited Rubicon nowadays - and got my original purchase price on trade. Since I had financed the last one at 0%, my total cost of ownership for nearly 4 years was a few oil changes, an air filter, and $500 in skid plates and rock rails I didn't bother to remove before trading it in.

The others haven't been quite that good, but haven't been too far off either. If I recall correctly, the greatest depreciation I've ever taken on one amounted to about $1500.00 per year.
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