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Old 03-15-2013, 08:38 AM   #76
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cop needs to booted. period..
Are you so sure about that?

I'm not defending him, there's no dispute he effed up,
But he's a cop in Las Vegas, not Mayberry.
Day in and day out he is dealing with the worst in human nature in a city that is a real armpit, there has to be an emotional price to pay.
I'm not so sure booting him is the best answer, and the whole media/lawsuit fiasco does nothing more than line the pockets of a lawyer and crybaby at the tax payers expense.
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Old 03-15-2013, 09:00 AM   #77
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Are you so sure about that?

I'm not defending him, there's no dispute he effed up,
But he's a cop in Las Vegas, not Mayberry.
Day in and day out he is dealing with the worst in human nature in a city that is a real armpit, there has to be an emotional price to pay.
I'm not so sure booting him is the best answer, and the whole media/lawsuit fiasco does nothing more than line the pockets of a lawyer and crybaby at the tax payers expense.
Actually the "fiasco" as you call it just might make other LEOs who engage in such behavior think twice about how they treat the citizens they supposedly serve.

And, from news reports Iv'e read, no lawsuit has yet been filed by the "crybaby."
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Old 03-15-2013, 09:27 AM   #78
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Actually the "fiasco" as you call it just might make other LEOs who engage in such behavior think twice about how they treat the citizens they supposedly serve.

And, from news reports Iv'e read, no lawsuit has yet been filed by the "crybaby."
Perhaps, but I have to question the judgment and motivations of someone who handles an issue like this by posting on utube rather than reporting it to the propper authorities in a responsible manner.
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Old 03-15-2013, 10:05 AM   #79
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Especially a cop! 100% cops fault, period. I thought the rider did a good job of controlling himself given the circumstance and the fact that the cop flat-out threatened him to cover his own ass. I doubt the rider has any recourse, but the fact that the entire motorcycle world knows that this cop is an idiot is some consolation. Hopefully his name and department will get out there. I don't understand why he couldn't just take responsibility for his lack of attention and be a stand-up guy instead of hiding behind the badge. Makes all cops look bad, and the vast majority of them are good guys doing a difficult job with very little reward.




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Old 03-15-2013, 10:44 AM   #80
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Perhaps, but I have to question the judgment and motivations of someone who handles an issue like this by posting on utube rather than reporting it to the propper authorities in a responsible manner.
It's a bit more difficult to sweep it under the rug when it's on Youtube.
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Old 03-15-2013, 11:37 AM   #81
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It's a bit more difficult to sweep it under the rug when it's on Youtube.
But is it the best first chioce?

I am uncomfortable with this trend of seeking mob justice through social media. I dont think "hits" or entertainment value is a equitable way to meter out justice.
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But is it the best first chioce?

I am uncomfortable with this trend of seeking mob justice through social media. I dont think "hits" or entertainment value is a equitable way to meter out justice.
Mob justice through social media?

Lots of riders (and drivers) have posted vids of accidents caused by others. Do you consider that "mob justice" too? Or should this dickhead cop be immune because he wears a badge? IMO, given the role he has chosen to play in society, he deserves this exposure more than others.

(BTW: It's "mete," not meter, out justice. /Klay)
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But is it the best first chioce?

I am uncomfortable with this trend of seeking mob justice through social media. I dont think "hits" or entertainment value is a equitable way to meter out justice.
He did it in public, which means there is no expectation of privacy. Public opinion is not "mob justice". All it did was draw attention to him being a dick.

The cop was violating the oath he took when he was hired. What he did was technically criminal. What makes it worse was that it was done "under color of authority". He betrayed the public trust. We have an ex-mayor here who has just been convicted in federal court of 24 counts of doing just this. He's going away for a long time.
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Old 03-15-2013, 01:13 PM   #84
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...the vast majority of them are good guys doing a difficult job...
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Old 03-15-2013, 01:30 PM   #85
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Mob justice through social media?

Lots of riders (and drivers) have posted vids of accidents caused by others. Do you consider that "mob justice" too? Or should this dickhead cop be immune because he wears a badge? IMO, given the role he has chosen to play in society, he deserves this exposure more than others.

(BTW: It's "mete," not meter, out justice. /Klay)
Yes, IMO, using social media before making any attempt to resolve it correctly is petty and irresponsible.

No, the cop does not deserve a "pass", he violated his departmrnts policys. But before putting him on the public pillory, wouldent it be best to give due process a chance? 2 wrongs dont make it a right.

If hes a bad cop with a bad attitude and record, let him hang. But what if he is one of the good ones having a bad moment because he just came from a murder/suicide where some guy killed his wife and kids?
whats the line between expecting a "higher standard", and perfection?

Social media should be used as a last resort when the system fails.
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Yes, IMO, using social media before making any attempt to resolve it correctly is petty and irresponsible.

No, the cop does not deserve a "pass", he violated his departmrnts policys. But before putting him on the public pillory, wouldent it be best to give due process a chance? 2 wrongs dont make it a right.

If hes a bad cop with a bad attitude and record, let him hang. But what if he is one of the good ones having a bad moment because he just came from a murder/suicide where some guy killed his wife and kids?
whats the line between expecting a "higher standard", and perfection?

Social media should be used as a last resort when the system fails.
You didn't answer my question. Let's try again: What about rider/drivers who post vids of regular people causing accidents and then being dicks about it? Is that "mob justice?"

How is it "petty" to post up the officer's behavior, especially since he KNEW and acknowledged on the vid that he was being recorded? Even though he knew he was being recorded he still chose to be a dickhead. Obviously he thought his behavior was OK. This is the type of arrogance that needs as much exposure as possible to remind people in positions of government authority that they are not above the law or a special class with special rights to intimidate citizens based on that authority.

And just how is it "mob justice" for people to watch the video? It's a great drama queen phrase but has no basis in reality.
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Yes, IMO, using social media before making any attempt to resolve it correctly is petty and irresponsible.

No, the cop does not deserve a "pass", he violated his departmrnts policys. But before putting him on the public pillory, wouldent it be best to give due process a chance? 2 wrongs dont make it a right.

If hes a bad cop with a bad attitude and record, let him hang. But what if he is one of the good ones having a bad moment because he just came from a murder/suicide where some guy killed his wife and kids?
whats the line between expecting a "higher standard", and perfection?

Social media should be used as a last resort when the system fails.
Social media is nothing more than an extension of the Open Meetings Act. Public service employees are employed by the people, and the people have a right to know about everything they do. It keeps them on the straight and narrow. It's perfectly legal to video record anyone and anything in a public place where there is no expectation of privacy.
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You didn't answer my question. Let's try again: What about rider/drivers who post vids of regular people causing accidents and then being dicks about it? Is that "mob justice?"
My bad, didnt make my answer obvious enough I guess.
The first word in my last post is my answer, yes, IMO it is lame for anyone to do. Deal with it as it happens, report it through proper procedure or let it go.
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My bad, didnt make my answer obvious enough I guess.
The first word in my last post is my answer, yes, IMO it is lame for anyone to do. Deal with it as it happens, report it through proper procedure or let it go.
it a perfect world,yes. in the real world it would have been covered up and the tape lost. odds are the rider would have been framed. happens all the time. the scope of corruption with public officials and politicians is beyond belief.
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I still want to know how how posting some dickhead cop (a captain no less) abusing his authority on YouTube constitutes "mob justice."

Were there torches and pitchforks involved? If so, please provide a link.
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