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Old 03-05-2013, 07:35 AM   #1
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Wicked Help with a 2004 950 Adventure

Greetings Inmates!

I have finally decided it's time for me to get a 990/950 adventure. (Previous owner of a 690SMC)

I have found a bike and I would like to get some opinions on it from the experts.

The bike in question is a 2004 950 Adventure in the grey color. It has 35,272 miles. Accessories include FMF Pipes, GPS Mounting Bracket, Tall Windshield, Foot Peg Extenders, Black Dog Rack, Luggage rack and luggage, Crash bars, highway pegs, power point in glove box, Bar Risers, and battery tender hookups.

I am not sure what has been done to the engine as far as the clutch or water pump. I have yet to talk to the actual owner (it's for sale at a dealership as a favor to a family member). Almost all miles are street miles. In the pictures, bike looks very clean.

The important part and where my main question comes...asking $6,999 but will take $6,400. This seems very high given the mileage and nada guide value of $4,625, even with all the accessories.

I am aware of all the known issues and have read through all of ktm950.info. I just can't find many for sale to compare prices.

Is $6,4000 a fair price? Thoughts in general on the bike? Thanks.



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Old 03-05-2013, 09:07 AM   #2
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The NADA book numbers don't mean much in the case of
bikes like a KTM 950. The NADA book is more useful
for things like a Toyota Camry or other vehicles which
are available in large numbers. I once had a KTM which the
NADA book claimed was worth $4500, but it sold easily for $6000.
At the end of the day it is supply and demand which define the value
of things like motorcycles which were produced in small numbers.


If the bike checks out relative to all the stuff mentioned
in the "pre-purchase" checklist in the KTM950.info web
page, the price is fair considering the extras, which would
cost you well over $1000 to duplicate from what I can see in the
photos. The bike looks very clean, and that is a definite plus considering
how some of these bikes get used.


If you are not competent enough as a mechanic to check out
all the crucial items yourself, paying a tech who is familiar with the 950 to
check the bike over thoroughly would be money well spent. If
problems are discovered you can use those problems to negotiate the price,
assuming the problems are not deal breakers ( for example a cracked
crankcase where the side stand mounts would tend to be a deal breaker ).


You can always offer them $5500 and see if they take it.

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Old 03-05-2013, 11:45 AM   #3
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In Okinawa, that is a killer price. Can you get parts from the US APO/FPO?
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:52 PM   #4
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I bought one just like that 3 years ago in Dallas with 20k on it for $5500. I don't know that it's worth $6400. There was a 2007 here in Alabama with 11k for $8300 this summer.
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Old 03-05-2013, 05:01 PM   #5
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I can see the pictures now, obviously its in the states. The price of these bikes is generally higher than NADA value. The market price of a bike of this caliber will always be market value, not book value. -my opinion of course.

It looks like a decent deal to me...
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Old 03-05-2013, 05:15 PM   #6
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I bought a June 2004 build KTM about three years ago for $6,500 delivered that included crashbars and Gobi bags. I thought I'd hit the jackpot!

Your 2004 pictured is an early 2004 based on the silver rims. Check the HOW closely for necessary TSBs on the early bikes.

At the end of the day, if you want a bike that is 95% identical to the original Meoni 950 that won the Dakar, buy that bike. If you want a bike that is going to not need as much maintenance in the near future, go by a new 990 at twice that price. Me, I'd rather have the 950.

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Old 03-05-2013, 05:43 PM   #7
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In Okinawa, that is a killer price. Can you get parts from the US APO/FPO?
Not in Okinawa anymore...need to update my profile.

Thanks for all the opinions. I talked to the actual owner today and he said 95% of the miles are road miles. He said the "water pump update was done and clutch master cylinder was replaced and update done." All maintenance was done a Cycle Town South near Dallas which is apparently an "Orange level" shop. I'm not sure what "orange level" means but I'm assuming its good. He said people in the forums should be familiar with Curtis White, the mechanic who did all the maintenance.
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All maintenance was done a Cycle Town South near Dallas which is apparently an "Orange level" shop. I'm not sure what "orange level" means but I'm assuming its good.
"Orange" level means a shop that is certified to work on the LC8 bikes. Many shops, including my local shop here in Des Moines, only work on the dirt bikes.
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I bought a June 2004 build KTM about three years ago for $6,500 delivered that included crashbars and Gobi bags. I thought I'd hit the jackpot!

Your 2004 pictured is an early 2004 based on the silver rims. Check the HOW closely for necessary TSBs on the early bikes.
Silver rims + black/silver-blue front mudguard = 2003 bike.
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In all honesty, how difficult is this bike to wrench on? I will have to do all maintenance myself as the nearest dealership will be 7 hours away. I am fairly mechanically inclined. I have rebuilt the carbs on my old SV650, rebuilt suspension, but never done any major engine work.
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The bike is pretty simple to work on and if you have any issues or need help with anything, this community is great.

I don't think there is anything you could do to this bike that hasn't been documented by several people already.
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Old 03-06-2013, 09:53 AM   #12
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I'm just in the middle of doing a full service,, / 30K mile checkup.. In general I found it a fairly easy machine to work on,, the only thing is you have to get used to the tank removal to access stuff. Its not that bad,, and a power screwdriver is your friend.. :)

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Old 03-06-2013, 10:39 AM   #13
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In all honesty, how difficult is this bike to wrench on?
It's really not that bad. OK, this looks terrible, but it's really not that bad:


Generally, the bike is very well designed and can be taken apart with pretty much the little packet of tools that comes with the bike.
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Old 03-06-2013, 12:42 PM   #14
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Silver rims + black/silver-blue front mudguard = 2003 bike.
I thought the first part of 2004 had silver rims too and the black front fender too. 2004.5 is when they switched to black wheels right?

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Your 2004 pictured is an early 2004 based on the silver rims.
RedRupert vs Orangecicle...who is right?
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I thought the first part of 2004 had silver rims too and the black front fender too. 2004.5 is when they switched to black wheels right?



RedRupert vs Orangecicle...who is right?
Look at the VIN, and you'll know when the bike was made. I just know that silver rims means an "early bike." That's all I know.

EDIT: I see the disconnect now. The first 950s sold in the US were sold in 2004. These were actually the same bikes as the 2003 European bikes. I know that the silver bikes with the black and silver front fenders were some of the first bikes to make it to the US. There are a handful of issues that are unique to the first year model. Check the HOW: http://www.ktm950.info/how/ktm_950_issues.html Look for issues related to the "03 bikes."
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