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Old 03-14-2013, 05:44 AM   #16
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I heard somewhere that Spain has a lot of scenic gravel roads but I imagine most are covered in snow
There are plenty, but I don't know them...
Laws keep me away from them, since I have no experience off-road...

I have a friend the has gone from Madrid to Portugal (west) without touching paved roads. The same from Madrid to Asturias (north) and from Madrid to Granada (south-east); but he's been riding off-road since he was a child and knows the best where to go and how to avoid a fine. I can't follow his DRZ 400 path with my DL 650...

He's gone to Morocco twice. I'll ask him where to get some tracks.
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Old 03-14-2013, 09:42 AM   #17
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Well I have no qualms with paved roads either! What would be a few of the highlights in your area? What options are there to get to France if there's snow?..
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Old 03-14-2013, 09:56 AM   #18
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What would be a few of the highlights in your area?
Post #15! http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...0&postcount=15

No idea about France... Never ridden abroad...
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Old 03-14-2013, 04:46 PM   #19
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Catalunya.

I'm guessing that if you are coming from Deutchland in March, the high Pyranees will be still snowed in, no? If you are coming down by Perpignon, you will be passing through some very nice areas in the Girona province. I've spent some time there & I can recommend a few. I'm sure you have been told many times about the N-260. It begins up in the Girona area, but is not so interesting there. It gets better as it rolls west . The roads in the Cap Creus Nat'l Parc are fantastic, & well worth a few hours of exploration, especially since it will not be too far off your route. The village of Cadaques, on the cape is quite pretty & has the home of Dali (His museum is nearby in Figueres). If you are lokking for a place to stop in this area I can HIGHLY recommend the hotel Niu del Sol in a tiny town called Palau-Saverdera, just south of the Cap Creus Parc. The owner, Sra. Merced will treat you like family. (actually better than my family treats me!) Of course you will pass near Barcelona, but you must stay away! If you stop here for only a day you will be there a month! There is too much to see & do & enjoy there! If you do fall to temptation & stop in Barca there is a fine motorcycle museum in the tangle of small alleys in the old city,near the cathedral.I found it once, but I could never find it again, so just wander there until you run across it. There is maybe 100-150 bikes from the great days of spanish motorcycle building. One word of advice.....you will be visiting CATALUNYA in this area, not Espania. Learning a few words of Catalan will earn you some goodwill! Unfortunately I can only say Merry Christmas! (Bon Nadal)
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Old 03-16-2013, 02:20 PM   #20
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Thanks guys! I have added your suggestions to my GPS, just hasn't been uploaded here yet.

Today I visited the local Touratech store and installed some handguards and neoprene fork seal protection (after what happened to the F800 in Morocco with Colebatch..) Can never be too prepared

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Old 03-16-2013, 05:18 PM   #21
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If you are going to do Napoleon in France. This place along the route is a good a place as any to stay over night.

http://goo.gl/maps/M2EJW

I've used it a few time's. Ride down that road and you will see a camp site that do bunk room's as well.
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Old 03-20-2013, 10:59 PM   #22
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Most of my experience in Spain has been in Andalucia, Granada, Malaga, Ronda, Algeciras, Jerez, etc... Lots of superfine mountain twisties (on pavement unfortunately) I wouldn't pass up an opportunity to give a number of those a try. If the weather proves warm enough once past Barcelona, La Mancha area south of Madrid has a number of rolling hills covered in olive orchards. South to Cordoba, then southeast towards Granada. My favourites are in a block between Granada, Almeria, Malaga, & Antequera. Top of my list are A4050 to Almunecar (on the coast) & the White Villages east of Lanjaron to Almeria. Also A397, Marbella to Ronda, then A405 to Algeciras & the ferries. Just north of Ronda is a Trogdolyte (cave dwellers) town of Setenil de las Bodegas, not to be missed. Michelin Map Europe was my choice for reading material.

Morocco (Michelin Map #742) has some superb mountain roads, both paved & off piste. From Ceuta or Tanger, I would suggest going east along the coast then south to Chefchaouen & think about N2 through Ketama & south on N8 to Fez. If going this route, DO NOT STOP in Ketama, major drug area - you WILL be hassled even while moving, but awesome roads in & out. Reminded me much of northwest Mexico & Copper Canyon. Ifrane & Azrou are into skiing areas (should be passable, but fresh). South of Azrou, there are backroads to Kenifra or Midelt where you can pick up the road into Todra Gorge. From Tinerhir you can head out to Erg Chebbi, the huge sand dunes, (2~3 days) or go an hour west to the Dades Gorge, & do the switchbacks in Betitou's posting. Going past that a couple of hours will get you through another incredible gorge up to M'smrir. I wouldn't suggest going north of there to Kasba alone, the road is quite rough & you may need help at times. Also, that would prevent you from doing the Tiza-n-Tichka pass to Marrakech. 3 times I've done it & would go again in a heartbeat. You can do a secondary route through Ait Ben Haddhou to connect near the summit though Telouet. Back on the main road just past the summit, there is a pull-over on the downhill side. You can see the road grinding around like a drunken snake below you. Great photo Op. If time permits, you can backtrack from M'Kech southwest though Azni to Tizni-n-test then back to Ouarzazate before picking a route home.

Both countries are fairly large with many small villages & ancient cities that warrant a stop now & then. You would do yourself an injustice whizzing by without a chance to sip a beverage & see the local sights. I have taken 5 visits, concentrating on a smaller area each time. Judge your daily mileage & be flexible in planning to allow this time-out now & then, plus unexpected events. My last 2 visit were unfortunately on 4 wheels, but I can always fall back on memories of riding 2 wheels there in 1970~71

Google Earth is a fantastic tool for examining terrain & routes. Use it to excess!

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More info at:
www.morocco-knowledgebase.net/forum/forum.php

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=841901

www.rocinantestravels.com/spain/index.htm
I'm also on Rocinantes' page on British Columbia http://www.rocinantestravels.com/pan...Montana-BC.htm
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Old 03-21-2013, 09:15 PM   #23
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More info

More info on Spain & Morocco & a good GPS Topo map. I used this map extensively on my Garmin 76CSx. The maps are very good quality for a freebie.

http://www.island-olaf.de/travel/marokko/gps.html

http://www.ukgser.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=212

http://www.motowhere.com/listpaths/s...in/country/226

http://www.gsheaven.com/bikes%20&%20routes.htm
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Old 03-23-2013, 01:24 PM   #24
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Thanks John933 and Fishnbiker

I'll be in Spain tomorrow so I'll look over this again before I get to Morocco. It's been a cold few days but it would have been much worse if I wasn't ready to leave ASAP. It snowed in Germany behind me but in the morning it was still 1-3 and wet in France and in the afternoon a much better 7-12 degrees.

I did read most of morocco-knowledgebase.net .... his level 2 off-road routes are exactly what I was looking for, but he basically just posts teasers on there to buy a book that doesn't exist? I think he would have done better to have jump-started a crowd sourced morocco-knowledgebase and profited off the ads instead. I'd buy the book if I have time, but nowadays a thriving forum would be perfect for Morocco

I've read WIBO's Morocco thread you linked before as well and many of his great posts on Spain/Morocco while searching old threads (I've read through most of the recent threads on Spain/Morocco) I still need to find this infamous Michelin Map #742 haha

I'm still missing a decent reliable lists of non-technical scenic off road routes.. but I'll wing it! I've downloaded Chris Scott's waypoints and I've watched some youtube clips of the well-known ones anyways. I can't really do anything technical with a loaded F800 alone, just looking for the quiet "off the beaten path" err ok scenic beaten path routes

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Old 03-24-2013, 11:31 PM   #25
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[QUOTE=squawk77;21017139]Thanks John933 and Fishnbiker

I've read WIBO's Morocco thread you linked before as well and many of his great posts on Spain/Morocco while searching old threads (I've read through most of the recent threads on Spain/Morocco) I still need to find this infamous Michelin Map #742 haha

I'm still missing a decent reliable lists of non-technical scenic off road routes.. but I'll wing it! I've downloaded Chris Scott's waypoints and I've watched some youtube clips of the well-known ones anyways. I can't really do anything technical with a loaded F800 alone, just looking for the quiet "off the beaten path" err ok scenic beaten path routes

Thanks again[/QUOTE

Have you tried any auto clubs for maps? or http://www.michelintravel.com/maps/morocco/

The Dades Gorge from Boumalne Dades to M'semrir & return is a fantastic paved scenic ride. Maybe 1/2 a day in & out. Ait Ben Haddhou to Telouet & Tiz-n-Tichka Pass between Oarzazate & Marrakech demands a lot of photo stops. Crossing Jbel Sarhro to the sand dunes out at M'hamid can accessed by some gravel options, either through Foum-Zguid or Zagora. These can all be followed on Google Earth quite easily. Any of the rivers & nearby roads can be spotted as green strips of palm trees crossing the brown earth. If up in Midelt area, you could pop down to Tattouine (name of Luke Skywalker's home).
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Old 03-25-2013, 03:30 PM   #26
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Thanks John933 and Fishnbiker

I'll be in Spain tomorrow so I'll look over this again before I get to Morocco. It's been a cold few days but it would have been much worse if I wasn't ready to leave ASAP. It snowed in Germany behind me but in the morning it was still 1-3 and wet in France and in the afternoon a much better 7-12 degrees.

I did read most of morocco-knowledgebase.net .... his level 2 off-road routes are exactly what I was looking for, but he basically just posts teasers on there to buy a book that doesn't exist? I think he would have done better to have jump-started a crowd sourced morocco-knowledgebase and profited off the ads instead. I'd buy the book if I have time, but nowadays a thriving forum would be perfect for Morocco

I've read WIBO's Morocco thread you linked before as well and many of his great posts on Spain/Morocco while searching old threads (I've read through most of the recent threads on Spain/Morocco) I still need to find this infamous Michelin Map #742 haha

I'm still missing a decent reliable lists of non-technical scenic off road routes.. but I'll wing it! I've downloaded Chris Scott's waypoints and I've watched some youtube clips of the well-known ones anyways. I can't really do anything technical with a loaded F800 alone, just looking for the quiet "off the beaten path" err ok scenic beaten path routes

Thanks again
Hi from norther coast of Spain,
If you make up this far you won't be disappointed. I don't know anything about gravel roads as its never been my thing, but if you don't mind a bit of smooth tarmac and never ending mountain passes and valleys you have come to the right place. If there was one place in particular that I would recommend it would be the Picos De Europa, the scenery is fantastic and loads of places to stay and better still - there's no bloody tourist caravans and cars at this time of year.

The coastal roads are worth doing, the further North west (Galicia) you go the better.Lovely little coastal villages built-up on the local fishing industry. The food and wine in this region is second to none. Word of warning, keep away from the coastal roads at the weekends. They tend to be full of local tourists.

If I can be of any help at any time just PM me.
Good luck on your journey and may the force be with you.
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Old 03-26-2013, 01:22 AM   #27
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Hi from norther coast of Spain,
If you make up this far you won't be disappointed. I don't know anything about gravel roads as its never been my thing, but if you don't mind a bit of smooth tarmac and never ending mountain passes and valleys you have come to the right place. If there was one place in particular that I would recommend it would be the Picos De Europa, the scenery is fantastic and loads of places to stay and better still - there's no bloody tourist caravans and cars at this time of year.

The coastal roads are worth doing, the further North west (Galicia) you go the better.Lovely little coastal villages built-up on the local fishing industry. The food and wine in this region is second to none. Word of warning, keep away from the coastal roads at the weekends. They tend to be full of local tourists.

If I can be of any help at any time just PM me.
Good luck on your journey and may the force be with you.
If I send you a map over for a route I am planning in Northern Spain would you please give it a look over and see if you think I have missed any good roads out?

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Old 03-26-2013, 01:04 PM   #28
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If there was one place in particular that I would recommend it would be the Picos De Europa, the scenery is fantastic and loads of places to stay and better still - there's no bloody tourist caravans and cars at this time of year.
I would second this, based on one trip through there two years ago. I'm about to start packing to leave on a very similar trip as you. Starting in Bitburg, heading to Spain around Sevilla for a week with my wife (who's flying down and back) then over to Morocco to visit friends living in Ifrane. I should be over in Morocco about April 17-25, then back to Spain and to Germany, hoping it will be spring here by then. Maybe I'll see you on the road someplace! Bright red jacket and riding a silver Wee-Strom with BIT plates.

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Old 03-26-2013, 10:02 PM   #29
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Hi,

I'm right now somewhere near Algeciras and will probably spend a couple of days in Andalusia before heading north towards Germany. So honk if you see a white beamer coming your way, and we could discuss road conditions over a cup of coffee.


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Nice setup there pip!

I'm in Algeciras now.. went to take a look at the port and there were only a few vehicles in line for Tangiers.. maybe because of Easter Friday? I have the white/yellow FITSA form filled out, the motorbike import form and photocopies of my documents. Hope that gets me through relatively easy. I got an open return ticket for €82 to Tangier Med
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