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Old 11-23-2013, 06:21 AM   #316
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Will the over sock fit on the SE/sausage version?
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Old 11-23-2013, 07:18 AM   #317
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Recieved my kit today. (Except the back ordered pre filter.)
Looks very nice.
I will work on installing this weekend.
Last weekend I built a bash/skid plate for the adv990r.
Getting ready for some cold weather back roads trips.

Thanks a lot, great response!
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Hi Noel. You may notice that I am now including a tube/clamp/ and zip ties to move crankcase vent from the pcv valve to the countershaft sprocket. I will get up some pictures and a how to addendum to the installation post later today or tomorrow.

Also, I have included some thin silicone gaskets for those who have a loose fit on the install. Some other filters and adapters seem to stretch the velocity stacks and make the connection a little looser than optimal. Only use these if you find that the plate is loose once clamped down. 95% won't need these.

Looking forward to hearing how its working for you.

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Will the over sock fit on the SE/sausage version?
It will fit on it but it won't stay on. I'll try to figure something out for you.
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Old 11-24-2013, 07:19 PM   #318
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06 950 motor (15,000mi.) in 04 chassis (04 carbs with 50,000 miles) dual FMF Q mufflers, Flappendectomy, canisterectomy, SAS blocked
tested at 800-2500 ft, high humidity in cold hazy 40 F air

installed SW foam filter and original settings produced softer hit than stck box throughout, flat, weak on torque but ran "just OK" (200mi. test) light brown plug (no white)
original:
45 pilot, 1.5 turns,
stock needle at 3 from top
160r / 155f mains
2.5mm float levels

got FactoryPro kit,
set floats to 4mm,
new 45 pilots, 1.75 turns,
FP needles(steep taper) at 3 from top,
172r/170f mains
I got smooth transition and good torquey throttle response up from all RPM's
60mph to 80 mph pulls very good hot. stable idle at 1300 rpm, hot or cold.
no surging at steady throttle at any speed (60 mile test)
chocolate brown plug at low rpm or high rpm chop

works for me

(P.S. my velo stacks were loosey goosey at the SW plate, so I made gaskets with 1mm thick rubber gasket material from the Hardware store plumbing section, nice n tite now)
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Old 11-25-2013, 05:17 AM   #319
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06 950 motor (15,000mi.) in 04 chassis (04 carbs with 50,000 miles) dual FMF Q mufflers, Flappendectomy, canisterectomy, SAS blocked
tested at 800-2500 ft, high humidity in cold hazy 40 F air

installed SW foam filter and original settings produced softer hit than stck box throughout, flat, weak on torque but ran "just OK" (200mi. test) light brown plug (no white)
original:
45 pilot, 1.5 turns,
stock needle at 3 from top
160r / 155f mains
2.5mm float levels

got FactoryPro kit,
set floats to 4mm,
new 45 pilots, 1.75 turns,
FP needles(steep taper) at 3 from top,
172r/170f mains
I got smooth transition and good torquey throttle response up from all RPM's
60mph to 80 mph pulls very good hot. stable idle at 1300 rpm, hot or cold.
no surging at steady throttle at any speed (60 mile test)
chocolate brown plug at low rpm or high rpm chop

works for me

(P.S. my velo stacks were loosey goosey at the SW plate, so I made gaskets with 1mm thick rubber gasket material from the Hardware store plumbing section, nice n tite now)
Sounds good! You may still be a little rich by the sound of that plug.

Also, I have some additional gaskets available if the fit is loose. The rig should fit tight but I have found that other types of filters, the BMC principally, stretch the tabs on the plastic velocity stacks... Heat and pressure are never good things for thermoplastics...
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Old 11-25-2013, 10:49 AM   #320
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Wicked got it!

Package on my desk today when I got in. w00t!
I'm still gathering parts, but looking forward to getting this baby installed.
Was wondering what the tube was for, now I know.

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Old 11-26-2013, 03:07 AM   #321
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Can I get some thoughts on plug color and jetting from everyone?

This is after 300km of varied riding, from low revs to highway, plenty of WOT. 168/170 mains, 45 pilots, FP needles on 3rd clip, 4mm floats, air jets stock.





To me, that looked like the tips were too white ie lean. So I upped the mains to 170/172, and did the same ride again:




This looks a better color, but now there's a lot more of these little golden lumps on it...what are they? Top end power was pretty comparable to 168/170....

170/172 with the 45 idles is much richer than recommendations for this filter .... but the plugs in the first pic seemed to have white tips to me, and talking to a lot of folks locally who are running this style of foam filter now, most of them are running mains well into the 170's and even 180's

But I'm still getting slight bogging down low though, so I suspect 45's might be too rich for my bike. But whenever I go back to 42 idles, it pops and crackles like a mofo on decel.

Shit-hot everywhere over 4000rpm though, and 6.5L / 100 km too

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Old 11-28-2013, 08:32 AM   #322
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I eventually installed the SW7 kit to my SE. Wanted the temperature to fall well below 20C to establish my baseline jetting. I went for the adv version filter as I preferred to slightly hack my seat than slightly hack my trumpets.
First impressions are very positive and was lucky enough to have a perfectly running bike from first try.
I live at sea level and tried the following settings:

akras with no db killers
slow jets 42
mains 178/180
floats somewhere between 4 and 4.5 mm
FP needles @ #3
Fuel screws 3 turns out
temperature around 17C

So, first impressions are of a very strong engine, but what impressed me most is the PERFECT fuel delivery. It runs like a very well sorted EFI bike, no hesitation anywhere with very crisp response. I was expecting to loose a bit of bottom end compared to the H2W jetting it replaced, mainly because of the #42 slows compared to the #45 I had, but this is not the case. I am not sure about WOT because I didn't dare go there yet, the test ride was not very long you see and I suck at wheelies.
Next ride out, I will put the large db killers to see how they affect fueling. Plan is to have a jetting which is good for db killers in the winter and just as good without them in the summer, since said bike sees a temp range from 5-10C to 40C.

Once more a big thanks to SW7 for his top product and advise!

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I am curious to also try the 45 slows with 168/170 mains, is it worth the effort though?

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Old 12-02-2013, 02:21 PM   #323
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anyone know if any of the PC Racing filter skins will fit on the SE/Sausage filter? they list a couple for the "big bikes" but I think it's more standard KTM filters. I guess I can just buy some and use them on my 450 if they don't fit. was hoping to get a "pre filter" to keep the big stuff off the ITG.

http://www.pcracingusa.com/FilterSkins_c_18.html

mousitsas if you are going to higher elevations, I've read a lot that the 42's are best and easier to adjust for elevation. if you mostly run sea level to maybe 7-8k' then the 45 may give you a bit more power? Seems like that's what I read when I did my jetting. I have the 45 and 170/172 setup on mine I think and it's been very good but we don't have any elevation in the South East USA. :)
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Old 12-02-2013, 09:37 PM   #324
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mousitsas if you are going to higher elevations, I've read a lot that the 42's are best and easier to adjust for elevation. if you mostly run sea level to maybe 7-8k' then the 45 may give you a bit more power? Seems like that's what I read when I did my jetting. I have the 45 and 170/172 setup on mine I think and it's been very good but we don't have any elevation in the South East USA. :)
Elevations up to 8000 is the max I will ever go. Will try the 45's to satisfy my curiosity, can't help it!
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Old 12-04-2013, 03:34 PM   #325
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Received my SE "Sausage" kit tonight. Build quality seems to be spot on.

Quick question? ITG filter cleaner and oil seems to be pretty hard to come by here in the Colonies. Any recommendations or readily available substitute?

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Old 12-04-2013, 09:01 PM   #326
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Just checking on the prefilter order?
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Old 12-04-2013, 10:33 PM   #327
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Received my SE "Sausage" kit tonight. Build quality seems to be spot on.

Quick question? ITG filter cleaner and oil seems to be pretty hard to come by here in the Colonies. Any recommendations or readily available substitute?

Cheers Ken
cleaner: dishwasher
oil: unifilter oil
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Old 12-05-2013, 09:45 AM   #328
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Just checking on the prefilter order?
Thank you.
Talked to ITG yesterday. The ones they sent were incorrect size so they're remaking them and rushing them to me asap. Unfortunately, ASAP from England means a minimum of 2 weeks. Sorry. Doing the best that I can to hurry them up!

Same thing with Factory Pro. We've ran them out of stock and they have to get more needles made. Should ship Monday to me then as soon as I have more kits I'll get the orders out that day.
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Old 12-05-2013, 09:48 AM   #329
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Received my SE "Sausage" kit tonight. Build quality seems to be spot on.

Quick question? ITG filter cleaner and oil seems to be pretty hard to come by here in the Colonies. Any recommendations or readily available substitute?

Cheers Ken
+1 as to what mousitsas said. Soap and water combined with compressed air are the safest way to clean the filters out and maximize their lifespan. You may use a dedicated cleaner but do not use any that contain alcohol as this breaks down the foam and glue joints. Same goes for oil, no alcohol based oils like NoToil, except for their new stuff in the green bottle, or any other containing alcohol. The stuff is for drinking. Makes a horrible fuel additive or filter cleaner!
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Old 12-05-2013, 09:52 AM   #330
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anyone know if any of the PC Racing filter skins will fit on the SE/Sausage filter? they list a couple for the "big bikes" but I think it's more standard KTM filters. I guess I can just buy some and use them on my 450 if they don't fit. was hoping to get a "pre filter" to keep the big stuff off the ITG.

http://www.pcracingusa.com/FilterSkins_c_18.html

mousitsas if you are going to higher elevations, I've read a lot that the 42's are best and easier to adjust for elevation. if you mostly run sea level to maybe 7-8k' then the 45 may give you a bit more power? Seems like that's what I read when I did my jetting. I have the 45 and 170/172 setup on mine I think and it's been very good but we don't have any elevation in the South East USA. :)

I don't know of a readily available filter skin that fits. I would rather point you toward an (backordered) over sock filter. Reason being that the skin clogs up very quickly, daily in fact if you're riding in the dust with friends. An oversock will last weeks by comparison and can just as easily be torn off and cleaned quickly. Makes a better solution to the issue of heavy dust riding than a skin imho. It'll require much less fuss and likely cost less in the long run too.
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