Temper; I lost mine again..

[ttpete]

Originally Posted by Tepi

and she dismisses it and theres no evidence, so whats gonna happen? Nothing, I think you got her better now. Though, I suspect shes going to pull it off again at some other motorcyclist, crazy people never "learn".

She found out that there were consequences to her actions. She'll think twice next time.

[bigbadandugly]

Originally Posted by FlySniper

The backstory:

I was sitting about eight feet behind a car stopped at a redlight....

Holy Batman! What a story. I can't believe people act like that with motor vehicles. Passing on the right? Suicide. A friend was telling me he was riding on a two lane highway when a car coming against him decided to try to pass the vehicle in front of him without sufficient room to successfully merge back into his lane. Seeing this, my buddy pulled over to the right side of his lane to give the dude as much room as possible. Instead of slowing down and pulling back into his lane behind the car in front of him, the passing car went hard left, across my buddy's lane and into my buddy's lane shoulder. So my buddy was riding his motorcycle in between the passing vehicle and the passed vehicle. He completely shit his pants. Chased after the guy and when he pulled over, all he said was "What?"

It is for reasons such as these I am planning on getting a GoPro this summer.

Originally Posted by ChadHahn

She said that the cops would pay a visit to his home.

Really? And do what? Give him a lecture? Not much a LEO can do as all the evidence is heresay at that point. I doubt any cop would actually make that visit.

Originally Posted by windmill

When law enforcement responds to such an incident, all they know for sure is the physical evidence they can see. A moment of anger can make the victim the legally guilty party.

Remember, if its not self defense, its assault.

+1 on that.

Originally Posted by FlySniper

Had I not behaved the way I did, I would love to get the cops on her. As it is I'm afraid of getting into deeper crap than I could get out of.

While I don't think anyone would encourage you to react again in the way you did, like a previous poster said, your actions probably taught her a better lesson than the police ever could. But some people just need to be taught a lesson the hard way.

I get that shit all the time in the mens' recreational hockey I play where fighting is prohibited. At least once a year some asshole will slash or hack me or do something not acceptable in the type of league we play in. Then he'll stand there and run off at the mouth and push me around, acting tough, knowing that fighting isn't permitted. At some point I get sick of it and then drop my gloves and pummel the SOB while everyone who doesn't know me stands around with a stunned look on their face thinking "Did he really start a fight?".

[Dracus124]

I was going home from Wal-Mart in Yucca Valley an hour ago when some idiot pulled out in front of me the AMPM in a brand new gold Jaguar. I was in the left lane and this dip shit pulls out the lot, skips the right lane and almost fucking sideswipes me!!! I was about to point him to pull over to the side of the road, but I just gave him the ADV salute got the fuck away from the idiot.

Look twice for bikes, please!!

[duck]

Originally Posted by ttpete

She found out that there were consequences to her actions. She'll think twice next time.

Or maybe she'll exact her revenge on another rider.

[Advntr]

There is some cager fool out there who received a broken nose courtesy of me after he tried to kill me while i was riding in the rain, in traffic. cc1991. I caught up to him at the airport, where he had parked his rental car at the curb and had gone inside trying to get a way from me.

When I walked into baggage claim looking for him I heard "hey asshole are you looking for me?". I walked up to him and clocked him in the nose as hard as I could and down he went. As I sat upon him to beat him some more the cops ran up pulled me off him.

He got a severely broken nose and missed his flight, I got swift justice. The cops were very cool and my eyewitness to the confrontation who was wearing a suit turned out to be a motorcycle rider. The cops actually commented to me about the asshole rightfully getting his due.

As far as the OP's situation...video camera. That fat broad was just plain evil and need a bitch slap and a visit to jenny craig.

I drive 500-800 miles per week for work and I have recently equipped my vehicle with a camera as I have seen enough craziness from everyone - truck drivers and cars included. It will also be on the motorcycle when i ride.

Had I had a video camera peering out the front of my motorcycle March 22, 2013 we all could watch me on You tube almost get t boned [missed by about 5 feet]by a ny state troop car while riding on I86 in NY where it crosses the the Allegheny reservoir. What was he doing....oh he was playing cowboy wanting to chase the 80 mph 18 wheeler that was 10 seconds ahead of me. I just happended to be in the way when he came charging out of his hiding spot in the median. Without video it was I said...he said...case closed, no retribution to the cowboy for the most unprofessional moment. Count your blessings

[Crooked Tree]

Forty five years of actively riding bicycles and motorcycles here, and I have been harassed many times. More so on bicycles. I do not always control my temper, at times it is best to speak to people in a language that they understand.

My favorite though was on a bicycle. I was spit at by kids hanging out the window of a Suburban that their parents were driving. I could see the mother turned around in her seat laughing as she watched. But...... they were following a canoe livery truck, so I knew where they were going.

I took a dump on one of those big swamp leaves, rubbed it under every door knob on that Suburban, washed my hands and continued on my way. Would have loved to have been there when they discovered my "Gift".


The thing is I am not a typical bicyclist. I am over 6' and 240 pounds. I have beaten more than one Ahole for assaulting me for no other reason than I am on a bike. I do not feel bad about a single one. I think the OP did what was called for.

[pdxmotorhead]

Ever seen what happens when you spray the cowl vent of a vehicle with pepper mace?

There are no pictures it never happened.... ;)


Dave

[babarnette]

Originally Posted by FlySniper

The backstory:

I see a black Ford Escape rolling up behind me. It slides over to the right, keeps coming up and attempts to shove me out of the way, but stops short.

I check my six, move over to the right to give the SUV plenty of room to go around.... which they did.... off the road on my right side. And instead of just completing the pass and then coming over, the driver yanks the wheel in my direction while I'm even with her window... and she's freaking looking directly at me and smiling.

She slams her brakes trying to make me hit the rear of her SUV.

I tried letting her go on, but she kept hitting the gas and then slamming the brakes.... I'm really pissed, but just drop way back and she finally goes on.

Sounds to me like she may have been trying to commit insurance fraud. The erratic driving on her part would have been her word against yours if she made you hit her in the right spot. In the future, if you get the tag number, and the police won't/can't respond, you can go to the Sheriffs office in the county in which the offense occurred and swear out a warrant yourself (check your state and local laws on this because it can vary). Then the driver will be served with a summons to appear (you will have to appear also) and face the charges. In this circumstance the more information, witnesses, and details you have the stronger your case will be. You also need as good of a description of the vehicle and driver as you can get.

[JDK111]

Originally Posted by pdxmotorhead

Ever seen what happens when you spray the cowl vent of a vehicle with pepper mace?

There are no pictures it never happened.... ;)


Dave

NOTED!
Thanks.

[duck]

Originally Posted by pdxmotorhead

Ever seen what happens when you spray the cowl vent of a vehicle with pepper mace?

There are no pictures it never happened.... ;)


Dave

Sorry but this just doesn't sound very bright or well thought out to me. I assume this irritates their eyes and distracts them. It may get them to slow down but if you're hindering their vision and ability to pay attention then you're putting not only the tailgater but those in other vehicles around them at risk.

[FlySniper]

There's no end to the cute ideas on dealing with something like this. My problem is, when I get that mad I lose all reason and am hellbent for blood.

It's just stupid on my part.

I don't know if there's just an exceptionally high number of meth/crack heads in my area or what, but this is the second time in recent memory I've dealt with a super agressive driver. Looking at each incedent I don't see that I did anything to initiate either one, but I did make mistakes in getting out of the situation ASAP. With the last one, klaxons went off in my head as soon as I saw the vehicle coming up behind me and their behavior at the redlight confirmed the danger. I should have pulled off the road as soon as we were through the light and let a few cars get in between us.

The one before... the flying minivan from hell... there's another post about that one around here somewhere. Short version; they caught up to me on a curvy two lane, I wasn't going slow either. I was on my DR650 and had it maxed at 90/100 mph with the van inches from my back tire. The only thing that got me out of that one was a couple of 90 degree turns and some questionable braking/acceleration on my part. In this case I had seen the van coming. It was about a half mile away when I pulled out from a side road. My pace had been really brisk and I thought/assumed the van would only hold me back. Had I paused for another second or two before pulling out, I might have gotten an idea of just how fast they were moving.

Bottom line is that I need to be even more mindful and observant... and learn to bail out of a potentially dangerous situation before the idiot cager has a chance to really fixate on me as a target. I'm not about to start carrying weapons of any sort or to do anything to egg it on. It's bad enough when they are the cat and you the mouse, I hate to think that the cat may really be pissed off and wanting revenge.

[Jnich77]

Originally Posted by FlySniper

I can be so freaking stupid at times.

Today I lost it and went on a door kicking, mirror whacking window pounding rampage after a fat slob of a subhuman damned near ran me over (intentionally and laughing about it while doing it...)

Not that this really matters or that this has any purpose, I'm still pissed (as the driver and myself) and just need to vent.

No need to be pissed at your self, I would have (and have) done far worse. Some people just need the shit beat out of them to learn a lesson.

[ttpete]

Originally Posted by FlySniper

Bottom line is that I need to be even more mindful and observant... and learn to bail out of a potentially dangerous situation before the idiot cager has a chance to really fixate on me as a target. I'm not about to start carrying weapons of any sort or to do anything to egg it on. It's bad enough when they are the cat and you the mouse, I hate to think that the cat may really be pissed off and wanting revenge.

I have no problem with breaking every traffic law in existence if I need to get away from someone like that. Split lanes, bust traffic lights, ride on the sidewalk, it doesn't matter. Once I'm someplace where I can't be run down, I can get off the bike and deal with the problem a lot better. Defending ones self is not "egging" anything on. It's also better than being dead.

[FlySniper]

Originally Posted by ttpete

I have no problem with breaking every traffic law in existence if I need to get away from someone like that. Split lanes, bust traffic lights, ride on the sidewalk, it doesn't matter. Once I'm someplace where I can't be run down, I can get off the bike and deal with the problem a lot better. Defending ones self is not "egging" anything on. It's also better than being dead.

Had I lane split i could have gotten away from the situation before it got as bad as it did. There was a place with a wide (for a bike) median. When I got to that place I had three cars moving at about 35mph. My gut said to punch it through the median, but reason said it was a bad move. I underestimated the situation, even though a part of me seemed to realize what was up. Passing in the median would have been a good decision, as would have been pulling into McD's parking lot. I.E., I should have listened to my gut.

When I say egg it on I mean doing something that is not going to disable the threat. Dropping ball bearings, pepper spray, tossing bolts or spark plugs, etc... That crap has a very low probability of stopping a cage, but a very high probability of pushing an already unstable driver all the way into vehicular homicide territory. Magnetic bombs, a nice spray from a 100lb CO2 fire extinguisher, a directed EMP weapon or a 10M candlepower UV flash are things I would go for, but don't have handy on the bike.

At times I have seriously considered concealed carry, but by the time you could stop, take off a glove and draw the weapon, you'd likely be a bumper sticker.

There's really no substitute for remaining aware and proactive. I had the knowledge, but dismissed it as an over reaction.

[der_saeufer]

Originally Posted by ttpete

I have no problem with breaking every traffic law in existence if I need to get away from someone like that. Split lanes, bust traffic lights, ride on the sidewalk, it doesn't matter. Once I'm someplace where I can't be run down, I can get off the bike and deal with the problem a lot better. Defending ones self is not "egging" anything on. It's also better than being dead.

So much THIS.

You are on a motorcycle. When it comes to "fight or flight", flight is the correct answer 99.99% of the time. Think about it: no matter how badly a car driver wants to hurt you, you can ride places he can't drive, giving him the choice of chasing you on foot or giving up. I'll tell you what happens every time

Plus, unless you're getting chased by a Ferrari you can out-accelerate him as well. Even a KLR accelerates very quickly at "traffic" sorts of speeds, and sub-4 second 0-60mph times are common on anything with multiple cylinders.

On a bicycle, sometimes it may be a good call to stop, hide and grab your u-lock, but on a motorcycle, the answer is always GTFO. My preferred tactic is to split lanes (even outside CA) and run the light if necessary. No one follows me after that.