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Old 03-14-2013, 03:19 PM   #1
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Honda NC700XD - DCT - Dual Clutch Transmission review

Hi all,

I dont think we have thread yet about Honda's NC700X DCT on here so As I picked up a new one of them today as my new daily transport, I thought I start one...

So here it goes:

Having spend the last 4 months on the manual version of the NC700x and covering 1200miles - see thread
http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=841952
I Finally managedto switch to a DCT today.
I first rode the DCT on the VFR1200F in 2010 and liked it than already. But for the short rev range NC engine its even more suited and the second generation DCT is matching this engine perfectly.

Here are a few photos I took today on my first ride home from the office



First things first: I had a chance to get an Akrapovic slip on exhaust for testing and before the bike was fired up for the first time - I changed the pipes over....



These are official Honda accessory and fitment was a piece of cake...sounds very nice - understated, yet the mide range torque is up versus the manual one which i had with stock exhaust. It is also about half the weight of the stock item.

Here is another pic from the right side



Being the DCT the bike does no longer have a clutch lever or a gear leaver...instead it has a handbrake! Paddles for manual up and down shifts and a mode selector for D mode, which should actually be called E for economy mode, as in this the bikes shift automatically and very quickly up so that revs are kept low and fuel is being saved! In this mode you are in 6th / top gear at around 40mph!
S mode is more sporty and the gear longer held and it changes down quicker too. At any stage you can always shift up and down with the left side handlebar paddles..

I will do a more detailed DCT review later if you want!

Anyway here a last pic for of the Dashboard.



Only difference to the manual version is the inclusion of a gear and mode indicator.

Anyway, i will monitor the mpg and performance and report frequently.
Enjoy,
Lars
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Old 03-17-2013, 01:07 AM   #2
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of course whilst changing the exhaust we had to also check how she sounds without a muffler...

http://youtu.be/D9w7emh5my4

we earned a few strange looks but Boys will be Boys!
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Old 03-17-2013, 03:49 AM   #3
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I will do a more detailed DCT review later if you want!
Yes, please, I would be interested.
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Old 03-17-2013, 05:23 AM   #4
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Here is the clip with no muffler as mentioned before...

http://youtu.be/G_JfJ4AT6-g
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Old 03-17-2013, 08:45 AM   #5
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Being the DCT the bike does no longer have a clutch lever or a gear leaver...instead it has a handbrake! Paddles for manual up and down shifts and a mode selector for D mode, which should actually be called E for economy mode, as in this the bikes shift automatically and very quickly up so that revs are kept low and fuel is being saved! In this mode you are in 6th / top gear at around 40mph!
S mode is more sporty and the gear longer held and it changes down quicker too. At any stage you can always shift up and down with the left side handlebar paddles.....
Lars
Having never seen the handle bars on this bike......... could you explain more please........ aka........ what the hell is a paddle?

Is this a computer controlled CVT tranny?
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Old 03-17-2013, 12:40 PM   #6
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I have very mixed emotions on the CVT trans but it might be perfect for this motor please do tell more!
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Old 03-17-2013, 01:55 PM   #7
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I have very mixed emotions on the CVT trans but it might be perfect for this motor please do tell more!
It's not a CVT. It's a six speed with a dual clutch.
It has two auto modes and a manual mode that you use
the paddles to shift with, The first auto mode is an economy
mode and shifts as early as possible for best fuel economy.
The S auto mode holds the shifts longer for faster perfomance
in auto mode. Both can be overriden by using the paddles.
The manual mode is fully manual, without the need for clutching
or shifting with a foot shifter. It works brilliantly according to reviews.

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Old 03-17-2013, 03:58 PM   #8
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It's not a CVT. It's a six speed with a dual clutch.

HTH

It's not a CVT. It's a six speed with a dual clutch


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It's not a CVT. It's a six speed with a dual clutch.
It has two auto modes and a manual mode that you use
the paddles to shift with, The first auto mode is an economy
mode and shifts as early as possible for best fuel economy.
The S auto mode holds the shifts longer for faster perfomance
in auto mode. Both can be overriden by using the paddles.
The manual mode is fully manual, without the need for clutching
or shifting with a foot shifter. It works brilliantly according to reviews.

HTH
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Old 03-17-2013, 09:37 PM   #10
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It's not a CVT. It's a six speed with a dual clutch


Needs to be said louder
WHAT?
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Old 03-18-2013, 04:12 AM   #11
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Question

Is it similar to the system honda used on its ATV's? Particularly the Rubicon? I have know two people that had the standard ES on a 450 atv, and two different Recon 250 atvs. All 3 systems failed, however they did have a spare foot shifter that could be mounted in case of an emergency and shift gears. On those bikes it was the Angle sensor that failed.
What your describing, sounds a bit more like whats on their rubicon ATV, where you can have an auto mode but still shift electroncially as well?

Guess im wondering if your bike has any kind of spare shifter for the foot, should an emergency arise?
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Old 03-18-2013, 07:17 AM   #12
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hi all,

i found a good video which explains how the DCT-transmission works in detail

http://youtu.be/y_CCHJq-LVo

hope this helps.
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Old 03-18-2013, 09:52 AM   #13
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It's not a CVT. It's a six speed with a dual clutch


Needs to be said louder
I feel dishonest calling it a six speed whenever somebody asks me about it. I always have to end the sentence with a "but the sixth is an overdrive".
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Old 03-18-2013, 10:19 PM   #14
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I feel dishonest calling it a six speed whenever somebody asks me about it. I always have to end the sentence with a "but the sixth is an overdrive".
All you have to say, with a straight face. is "it's just like a Porsche Doppelkupplungsgetriebe'.
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Old 03-18-2013, 10:39 PM   #15
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I have never liked the sound or power delivery of parallel twins. The sound of the Honda has not changed this. I won't say it isn't an interesting and most likely a very impressive commuter bike, but I just do not like it.

Mostly because without a clutch lever... how the hell do you clutch up wheelies?
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