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Old 01-05-2015, 09:26 PM   #1
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Just front brakes or front & back while braking

So I've never owned a bike with modern brakes so I stop using both the front and rear brakes when stopping.

I use a fair bit of trail braking when riding aggressively too...

The big KTM by all reports has top notch brakes. Do you guys use only the front brakes on the street? I assume rear brakes are reserved for the dirt.
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Old 01-05-2015, 09:33 PM   #2
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I use both as a force of habit. I have a 1190 with linked brakes and it just doesn't feel right if I only use the front. I know both are suppose to work when the front is applied but I can't give up using both. The same holds true for dirt riding as well. The dirt ABS is a game changer in my opinion. It fixes a lot of my mistakes.
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Old 01-05-2015, 09:59 PM   #3
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I have a bad habit of using only the front. My understanding is that the ABS links them ONLY when the ABS is called upon, not during usual braking.

Something Jimmy Lewis said at Taos (paraphrased since my memory isn't so good today): "ninety percent of the braking effort is the front brake, well, all of your braking is the front brake... The rear brake just keeps the back end behind you when you are offroad."
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Old 01-05-2015, 10:24 PM   #4
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I use both but have a preference for front.
I also trail brake like a madman ..The 1190 is always planted and in control...actually if you get the gears correct the engine breaking comes into play a lot..
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Old 01-05-2015, 10:56 PM   #5
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Always use both, Why would you not?
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Old 01-06-2015, 03:30 AM   #6
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Always use both, Why would you not?
because the brakes are linked and back brake is applied when you use the front brake by the bikes braking system.

at least, that's as i understand it. i would say it applies a lot less back brake than my old 1200GSAs did, so i have gone back to applying a little pedal as well.
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Old 01-06-2015, 04:21 AM   #7
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Always use both, Why would you not?
My thoughts exactly….. but I have yet to enter the ABS era, and am in no hurry to do so. It may help, but is no substitute for awareness, basic skill and common sense.

From speed I tend to be heavy on the front brake initially, while lightly covering the rear. As the bike slows I back off the front and go heavier on the rear.
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Old 01-06-2015, 06:37 AM   #8
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I used to ride maxiscooters (in which the left hand lever is for the rear brake).
Now that I ride a 1190 I use only the right hand lever for braking (for using the bike's left hand lever for that purpose is highly inconvenient... ) and the right foot pedal to keep the bike quiet at traffic lights and crossroads.
I am not used to trail brake and this method doesn't come natural/intuitive to me. I'm a noob...
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Old 01-06-2015, 10:25 AM   #9
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I always use them both, with the ABS off on the rear, I like to let it skitter about a bit.. just seems to be more fun, specially the little drift you get when accompanied by a down shift right as you tip it in.
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Trail braking stabilises the bike in a bend & that along with the radial front brake means you can brake deep into a bend without touching the rear without the bike standing up. It's really quite remarkable how well it works on the 1190.
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Old 01-06-2015, 11:49 AM   #11
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because the brakes are linked and back brake is applied when you use the front brake by the bikes braking system.

at least, that's as i understand it. i would say it applies a lot less back brake than my old 1200GSAs did, so i have gone back to applying a little pedal as well.
I tried the linked theory, It may be linked, but it sure doesn't feel like it, grab the front and nose dive, stomp the rear and only the rear ABS chatters in. I will always use a combination of both.
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Old 01-06-2015, 12:00 PM   #12
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Several of the bike reviews say the braking is linked. I would say it's likely in an equivalent of car EBD.

Edit: should say the linking is front to rear, not the reverse.
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Old 01-06-2015, 12:02 PM   #13
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I tried the linked theory, It may be linked, but it sure doesn't feel like it, grab the front and nose dive, stomp the rear and only the rear ABS chatters in. I will always use a combination of both.
I do not think the bike applies both brakes when only one or the other is applied unless ABS kicks in. Front and rear work as usual until the braked wheel stops rolling.
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Old 01-06-2015, 01:27 PM   #14
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The 1290SA has anti-dive technology in it's suspension setup.

Below is what I found in the 1190 manual.
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I tried the linked theory, It may be linked, but it sure doesn't feel like it, grab the front and nose dive, stomp the rear and only the rear ABS chatters in. I will always use a combination of both.
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Old 01-06-2015, 03:27 PM   #15
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If they are linked it does feel minimal, I notice much more fork dive when only using the front brake at speed as opposed to using both the front and back brakes.
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