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Old 03-20-2013, 03:57 AM   #16
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... time for a Wee...

Plug and play tubeless tires, which for a commuter, I would think would be required.

ABS available.

Plenty of fuel.

Longer suspension, with plenty of upgrades available.

19 inch front wheel to ease over pot holes.

Of course, I ride one..., but I don't commute.

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PS, almost forgot... just about bullet proof...
Or at least, buy one as your backup bike, after a year realize it's actually better than the BMW and flick the turd ....


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Old 03-20-2013, 04:11 AM   #17
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+1 on the Super Tenere, it's a great bike.
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Old 03-20-2013, 04:18 AM   #18
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I would go sit down with the dealer general manager. You are the kind of customer they need, you buy new, use them for service. If you have this experience, so do others, and unless corrected, the might as well close the place now.

A harley is a completely different riding experience. Much less power, much less brakes, much longer lasting tires, better fuel economy. It will have issues too, but dealers are much more common and you should be able to find one that fits your needs.

As far as other bikes, it depends on what you want. The Yamaha and Honda are possibilities. If you do not care about appearance, then the V strom is impossible to beat. It is only a 650, and yes, that does mater to many people.

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Old 03-20-2013, 04:49 AM   #19
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Buy yourself a Prius and quityerbitchen.......

Dude there are soooo many other choices than those you listed. Any of the 650 Thumpers, DR, XR, KLR are cheap, easy to fix, virtually bulletproof, and have massive dealer networks.

Hell I ride a Buell and a KTM. There is no way in hell that I could own either of these bikes if I could not work on them myself.

If you are not super mechanically inclined then stick with something simple.







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Old 03-20-2013, 05:14 AM   #20
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+++1 on the Super Tenere but I'm biased.

KLRs are great bikes but they are horrible commuters if you do a lot of interstate....I know I own one of those as well.

Don't be fooled just because there are a lot of HD around that the parts are plentiful. A buddy has had to wait months for something as simple as a latch for the trunk on his trike....in both that he owned, the starter s had issues and reverse issue and one had a tranny go (he was really hard on the tranny though). I'm not trying to bash HD just that they have issues with parts like any brand may.

Since I live in the snow belt 365 commuting is not an option. I have a Ford Fiesta (40MPG) to fill out the rest of the days...maybe its time to ditch the SUV??
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Old 03-20-2013, 06:32 AM   #21
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Yamaha Super Tenere! Does everything the GS does without the constant BMW headaches.
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... time for a Wee...

Plug and play tubeless tires, which for a commuter, I would think would be required.

ABS available.

Plenty of fuel.

Longer suspension, with plenty of upgrades available.

19 inch front wheel to ease over pot holes.

Of course, I ride one..., but I don't commute.

NFE

PS, almost forgot... just about bullet proof...
Fine low maintenance, reliable bikes, that'll start when ya turn the key, butt where's the euro trash panache poser appeal in that?
It's not an adventure 'til yer shit breaks down 'n leaves ya stranded!

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Or at least, buy one as your backup bike, after a year realize it's actually better than the BMW and flick the turd ....


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Old 03-20-2013, 09:45 AM   #22
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Just go find a clean 1150. The 1200's seem to be troubled with lots of bugs....
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Old 03-20-2013, 07:15 PM   #23
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The Super Tenere is a thought, to be sure. Questions I have for owners are:

1. Do they use something like BMW to make the spoked wheels compatible with tubeless tires?
2. What does the maintenance schedule look like? Are valve adjustments a "rip the whole thing apart" sort of deal, and how often.
3. Is the engine the typical integrated engine/tranny/clutch design? Any major issues come up with this?

Price is pretty nice on this, as is the styling.
You can get a Super Tenere and be done with the hassles. It does have tubeless tires and is shaft drive. It has a hydraulic clutch so it's smooth as well as durable. Maintenance items consist of some basic checks of fluid levels and to make sure things are tight (recommended every 4,000 miles) - all can be done by you if you have some simple tools. Your going to have to wait until 26,600 miles for the valve check though. I have 10K on mine and it's just been gas and oil.

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Old 03-23-2013, 10:07 AM   #24
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So many great options on this thread and the Super Tenere sounds like a great replacement for the BMW. But if you want to supplement and get another bike, you can pick up Vstroms for great prices used. I love mine and commute (freeway) on it everyday as well as use it for work appointments in the field. I can't be late or miss these so I chose the Strom for its reliability and it was worth it. Yes its ugly, but just the other day a guy rolled up to me and said he liked the "industrial" look of it. Very utilitarian.
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Old 03-23-2013, 12:12 PM   #25
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Another seemingly simple warranty repair just lanquishes on and on and on...
Living in Silicon Valley,
Is this at Cal Moto?

Their service department is only interested in doing general services, which is where they make a lot of money.

Try SJ BMW, they are much better. And ask for a loaner bike.
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Old 03-24-2013, 04:50 AM   #26
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I would go sit down with the dealer general manager. You are the kind of customer they need, you buy new, use them for service. If you have this experience, so do others, and unless corrected, the might as well close the place now.

A harley is a completely different riding experience. Much less power, much less brakes, much longer lasting tires, better fuel economy. It will have issues too, but dealers are much more common and you should be able to find one that fits your needs.

As far as other bikes, it depends on what you want. The Yamaha and Honda are possibilities. If you do not care about appearance, then the V strom is impossible to beat. It is only a 650, and yes, that does mater to many people.

Rod
And the dealer will give lip service, promise it was a fluke, give a free oil change coupon, a peck on the cheek and send you along. Even the BEST dealer can't control the madness of the manufacturer. Yes, they feedback, but it takes a commitment form the maker to have the right stuff already IN THE COUNTRY to avoid customs delays. These long waits (with any brand) are usually while they engineer an alleged cure for a cronic failure part.
A person has the most leverage BEFORE the sale, so have the dealer that claims to "go the extra mile" write a free loaner bike clause into the purchase and sales agreement for any service taking longer than a couple days. See how serious they are about satisfied cutomers, best brand, best support, blah, blah.
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Old 03-24-2013, 04:53 AM   #27
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Another seemingly simple warranty repair just lanquishes on and on and on... in January the bike sat for two weeks while the dealer troubleshooted, ordered and replaced the starter under warranty. Not sure why it took so long, but whatever. This time it sits while we wait for the special tool to seat the front engine seal.

Living in Silicon Valley, my bike is my daily commute vehicle (between lane sharing and the carpool/toll lanes, it makes a horrendous 50 mile RT commute bearable). That is until now, which is a particular frustration since I explained ahead of time to the dealer that the seal has a slow leak and I would order (and pay for) the seal myself just to make sure everything was in stock and ready to go when I brought the bike in for its warranty repair. For whatever reason, they tore into it and THEN discovered they needed to order the seating tool, which is backordered from Germany!

So now I slog through my commute in the SUV at 12 MPG. Joy.

This is my fourth Beemer, and it seems like this is always their downfall. Some odd ball part fails, the dealer does not have it in stock, there is no urgency on the part of service to get it back on the road, and the shop is closed Sun and Mon, making it a multiple weekend project to get back into service.

Question is, maybe it is time to change brands. At this point, minimizing down time seems like the highest priority. Either it shouldn't fail, or if it does, repair should be quick and efficient. I see two options here, Honda and Harley. From a service and parts perspective, Honda may not be much better than BMW (although perhaps they are), but from a reliability perspective, I doubt it would need a new starter after two years. My VFR went 30k without a day of downtime. I could go with the new VFR, maybe an ST, or even the new GW variant (probably do not want to deal with a chain).

On the other hand, sitting stuck in traffic these past few days have surprised me with how many Harleys are out there as commuters (as the split by me). Two things make them a contender, simplicity (compared to BMW) and support. The local dealer is open 7 days a week! Imagine that, being able to go in on a Sunday and buy an oil filter (or God knows whatever other part you need at the least minute). Probably most things can be fixed without special dealer-only tools and fixtures. Question is, do they really have the day to day reliability (do they even go in the rain?) for a commute vehicle?

So, to put it out there, what are the fellow inmate's thoughts and experiences? I realize we are talking about a bunch of different bikes and riding experiences, but to coin a phrase from the GS page... a broken vehicle is worse than no vehicle. What to do if you want to maximize the uptime?
Zappa was SOOOO ahead of his time!!!!

Flakes. flakes

Flakes, flakes
They don't do no good
They never be workin’ when they oughta should
They waste your time
They're wastin’ mine
California’s got the most of them
Boy, they got a host of them
Swear to god they got the most at every business on the coast
Swear to god they got the most at every business on the coast
They got the flakes

Flakes, flakes
They can't fix your brakes
You ask ‘em, “Where’s my motor?”
”Well, it was eaten by snakes”
You can stab ‘n’ shoot ‘n’ spit but they won’t be fixin’ it
They're lyin’ an lazy
They can be drivin’ you crazy
Swear to god they got the most at every business on the coast
Swear to god they got the most at every business on the coast
Take it away, bob

I asked as nice as I could if my job would somehow be finished by Friday
Well, the whole damn weekend came n went, Frankie
(Wanna buy some mandies, bob?)
You know what?
They didn't do nothin’ but they charged me double for Sunday
Now, you know, no matter what you do, they gonna cheat and rob you
And then they'll give you a bill that’ll get your senses reelin’
And if you do not pay, they got computer collectors that’ll get you so crazy ‘til your head’ll go through the ceilin’
Yes, it will

I’m a moron and this is my wife
She’s frosting a cake with a paper knife
All what we got here’s American made
It’s a little bit cheesy but it's nicely displayed
Well, we don't get excited when it crumbles and breaks
We just get on the phone and call up some flakes
They rush on over and wreck it some more
And we are so dumb, they're linin’ up at our door
Well, our toilet went crazy yesterday afternoon
The plumber he says, “Never flush a tampon”
This great information cost me half a weeks pay and the toilet blew up later on the next day

Blew up the next day

One two three four

Flakes, flakes

Flakes, flakes

Flakes, flakes
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Old 03-24-2013, 05:59 AM   #28
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The prophet Frank Zappa was SOOOO ahead of his time!!!!

Flakes. flakes

Flakes, flakes
They don't do no good
They never be workin’ when they oughta should
They waste your time
They're wastin’ mine
California’s got the most of them
Boy, they got a host of them
Swear to god they got the most at every business on the coast
Swear to god they got the most at every business on the coast
They got the flakes

Flakes, flakes
They can't fix your brakes
You ask ‘em, “Where’s my motor?”
”Well, it was eaten by snakes”
You can stab ‘n’ shoot ‘n’ spit but they won’t be fixin’ it
They're lyin’ an lazy
They can be drivin’ you crazy
Swear to god they got the most at every business on the coast
Swear to god they got the most at every business on the coast
Take it away, bob

I asked as nice as I could if my job would somehow be finished by Friday
Well, the whole damn weekend came n went, Frankie
(Wanna buy some mandies, bob?)
You know what?
They didn't do nothin’ but they charged me double for Sunday
Now, you know, no matter what you do, they gonna cheat and rob you
And then they'll give you a bill that’ll get your senses reelin’
And if you do not pay, they got computer collectors that’ll get you so crazy ‘til your head’ll go through the ceilin’
Yes, it will

I’m a moron and this is my wife
She’s frosting a cake with a paper knife
All what we got here’s American made
It’s a little bit cheesy but it's nicely displayed
Well, we don't get excited when it crumbles and breaks
We just get on the phone and call up some flakes
They rush on over and wreck it some more
And we are so dumb, they're linin’ up at our door
Well, our toilet went crazy yesterday afternoon
The plumber he says, “Never flush a tampon”
This great information cost me half a weeks pay and the toilet blew up later on the next day

Blew up the next day

One two three four

Flakes, flakes

Flakes, flakes

Flakes, flakes
Thar, I dun fixed it fer ya!

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Old 03-24-2013, 09:04 AM   #29
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Is this at Cal Moto?

Their service department is only interested in doing general services, which is where they make a lot of money.

Try SJ BMW, they are much better. And ask for a loaner bike.
Exactly. I find the BMW dealers who give loaners get the repairs done quickly. The loaner makes dropping the bike at a dealer, and it's fun do ride a different bike for a day.
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Old 03-24-2013, 11:40 AM   #30
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If your bike is covered by the warranty have the dealer give you a loaner to ride.
This. Crazy the dealer didn't suggest that by himself. When my Honda is serviced, no matter if regular service, warranty or attaching accessories and it's longer than 1...2 hours so I could wait, I get whatever bike is available at that moment and only have to bring it back with a full tank.
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