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View Results: How did your failure happen?
No notice at all ,left me stranded on the spot. 66 22.53%
Noticed a problem ,but was able to ride back to civilazation 106 36.18%
Just checked and felt fine ,but died a few hundred miles later 17 5.80%
Noticed problem,rode bike hundreds of miles without total failure 104 35.49%
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Old 09-21-2009, 09:33 PM   #211
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Noticed a resonant 'thrumming' throught the handlebars for a couple of hundred miles. This disappeared and then I started getting weird feelings from the rear wheel (not unlike a puncture). Eventually, some 30 miles later (I was in the middle of nowhere and had to reach civilisation) the rear wheel started moving laterally - locking momentarily on occasion (I was doing <10mph by now). I eventually reached a town , put the bike on the side stand and...



Took the wheel off back at Jorge's place to find...



The wheel had moved about sufficiently to gouge metal out of the rear disc and caliper carrier (hence the intermittent lock-ups).

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Old 09-22-2009, 10:10 AM   #212
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Just wondering if there has been any reported HP2 enduro FD failures?
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Old 09-22-2009, 11:07 AM   #213
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My friends hp2e started to leak oil in both ends recently. He's going to change both gaskets and bearings. We will find out if there was something wrong or just bad quality on the gaskets. It had 22 000 km by the way.

I noticed some vibrations when I lay down my hp2e to the left but not to the right. Wierd! Mine has 27 000km on it. Any ideas?

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Old 09-22-2009, 12:12 PM   #214
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So, let me get this straight. There should be absolutely no play if grabbing the rear tire at the 3 & 9 o'clock or the 12 & 6 o'clock positions?

I just got home from a longer trip out west and started doing the 6k mile fluid changes. While I had the bike up on the center stand, I tried this test and have a very slight amount of play at 3/9 o'clock, but nothing at 12/6. Am I looking at a failing drive?

Oh, 91k miles on the clock right now.
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Old 09-22-2009, 12:28 PM   #215
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Bearing bad News

More likely pivot bearings.


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So, let me get this straight. There should be absolutely no play if grabbing the rear tire at the 3 & 9 o'clock or the 12 & 6 o'clock positions?

I just got home from a longer trip out west and started doing the 6k mile fluid changes. While I had the bike up on the center stand, I tried this test and have a very slight amount of play at 3/9 o'clock, but nothing at 12/6. Am I looking at a failing drive?

Oh, 91k miles on the clock right now.
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Old 09-22-2009, 01:38 PM   #216
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Whats everyone opinion on why BMW has only changed the FD once with all these problems? Isn't the change to the Evo FD the only redesign they have done to try and fix this? I think they've done some small changes.. but.. nothing major that i've read anyway.

Even if its overall a small percentage that fail.. its a large percentage compared to other mfgs, and its plain and simple costing them money with replacing FD's, loss of reputation and the loss of current and potential customers.

Are they trying to make a hammer with 10 moving parts.. sorta speak? or???

With this kind of problem thats been going on for so long it just leads one to think they just plain can't figure out how to make one that holds together.
It makes you angry and makes yah think about mailing them a honda FD... or somthing!

Looking at the FD failure list website, there are FD failures listed back to 1993(i excluded the one listed in 1985 since there was only one that old). Thats a long time to have not made any progress on a major issue.

With sue happy America, it will only be a matter of time before someone is killed or near killed because of this and sue's BMW of this.
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Old 09-23-2009, 07:04 AM   #217
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So, let me get this straight. There should be absolutely no play if grabbing the rear tire at the 3 & 9 o'clock or the 12 & 6 o'clock positions?

I just got home from a longer trip out west and started doing the 6k mile fluid changes. While I had the bike up on the center stand, I tried this test and have a very slight amount of play at 3/9 o'clock, but nothing at 12/6. Am I looking at a failing drive?

Oh, 91k miles on the clock right now.
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Best write up ever on replacing OEM rear pivot bearings with JL bushings
http://www.rvbprecision.com/motorcyc...placement.html

PS- loctite 270 (green) and 271 (red) are virtually same product, difference being availability and cost--271 is at Home Depot for about $6
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Old 09-23-2009, 10:27 AM   #218
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Tom,
Best write up ever on replacing OEM rear pivot bearings with JL bushings
http://www.rvbprecision.com/motorcyc...placement.html

PS- loctite 270 (green) and 271 (red) are virtually same product, difference being availability and cost--271 is at Home Depot for about $6

Wow! Very nice write-up. Thanks for the pointer. We'll see how my time shakes out after this weekend to get this done. I've a fairly well stocked toolbox myself. In the meantime, I guess I'll be commuting on the XR600.
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Old 09-23-2009, 11:49 AM   #219
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Had same issue as Kelsokid........been looking for a vibration for a while when finally said.....ride it.
Crown bearing failed just outside of Salt Lake City coming home from the world super bike weekend. Had to Uhaul the bike home. I decided to go through the whole back end so after ordering every part i started the rebuild, bearings, seals, pivot bearings, all new nuts bolts washers and seals.......15 hours later i had a smooth riding bike.....drained the final drive oil after 50 miles and it was clear, changed again at 150 miles and still clear.....bike has 80,000 miles so parts do fail....nice to change everything at once though!
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Old 10-01-2009, 06:59 PM   #220
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For anyone who's replaced a FD main bearing, how much play did the new bearing have? I just received a new baring from Chicago BMW, and it wobbles a bit... is that really normal? I thought a new bearing would be dead-solid, without any play between the races. It's the usual 19-ball version, looks perfectly new, says 697c3 310AB on the side.
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Old 10-02-2009, 06:45 PM   #221
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For anyone who's replaced a FD main bearing, how much play did the new bearing have? I just received a new baring from Chicago BMW, and it wobbles a bit... is that really normal? I thought a new bearing would be dead-solid, without any play between the races. It's the usual 19-ball version, looks perfectly new, says 697c3 310AB on the side.
Looses its play when installed against the tapered bearing inside. Mount her up and go riding. Correct shimming should yield zero play at the wheel.

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Old 10-02-2009, 09:23 PM   #222
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seeing this just made me angry again. My final drive got me all the way from Cabo to a dealer in SD when it "all of a sudden" couldn't go any further and had to stay there and pay for there overpriced repairs. It was my first (and last) FD failure. It taught me a valuable lesson: Always get your bike home. Never let an out of town dealer take apart anything that is still working.
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Old 10-03-2009, 07:40 AM   #223
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For anyone who's replaced a FD main bearing, how much play did the new bearing have? I just received a new baring from Chicago BMW, and it wobbles a bit... is that really normal? I thought a new bearing would be dead-solid, without any play between the races. It's the usual 19-ball version, looks perfectly new, says 697c3 310AB on the side.
The c3 bearing has some looseness. You have to have room for the oil.
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Old 10-03-2009, 07:49 AM   #224
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happened 2yrs ago.. chngd drive oil....

... then a slight rhythmic vibration for a few hundred miles, but no leak & checking rear end revealed nothing..... then catastrophic failure in town... what a mess. happened @~38000..... thankfully, 75% of cost covered under goodwill warranty by bmwna
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Old 10-03-2009, 09:13 AM   #225
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