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Old 03-25-2013, 10:52 PM   #106
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Got your PM and responded. See you in november. . Looking forward to the rest of this ride.
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:53 PM   #107
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One other item on tonights list....did I ever say thanks for bringing that "amigo" liter of Tequila across the border?

It's currently being put to good use!

And since nobody has objected to the insertion of a little music, this one is going out to my wife.......

Por nada. 19 year old Border agent sure grilled me about the tequila. When he asked the brand (which I had no idea what you gave me) I just told him it was called 'El Jefe dos gringos'. Seemed to work. I don't think he was old enough to drink so he was not up on the brand names.
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Old 03-25-2013, 10:58 PM   #108
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If you guys see some of these monkey pants in a 3XL Tall ............ get them for me. You know I'm "good for it".

Chabon, I'm enjoying the music. Really enjoyed the guitar duo a lot.

Mike, I noticed your hat a few pages back .............. Soy El Jefe, huh? Es verdad?

Over the last 30 years I've spent several months in many different parts of Mexico. I'm always amazed at the children. They are typically so well behaved, inquisitive, open, engaging, and very kind to, and respectful of, each other. Of course a lot of that charm disappears with the onset of puberty ............ but it's really nice while it lasts.

Nice job on the story and ride report amigos. Thank you so much!

Rob
The monkey pants were notable! The kids are always clean and friendly. No little beggars encountered on the whole trip. I think the economy is doing better, at least in the areas we were. No one looked like they were going without. No baggy pants, hats on sideways, rap music blaring, graffiti was almost non-existent. When I would tell people I was from Los Angeles (nearest big city) a lot of them had no idea where it was. When I proclaimed United States they had heard of that.
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Old 03-26-2013, 01:47 PM   #109
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Beautiful shots of Juanitas.
There is still some tale to be told....



Mike with his laundry, post shower and ready to hit the town.







The boyz are back in town.....and by the looks of them, they're being forced to have a good time......



Where am I?



Got Pope?



Batopilas, Porque no.....join us on the road to adventure!



Dinner.....one of the few without Camarones....which is why I gained weight on this trip.....that and a couple Tecates....



The mission is beautiful.....



Right next to the small square where we ate was a little store that had moonshine tequila. It had a strong fragrance of agave but a little sample revealed a hint of petrochemical taste so No Gracias amigo, I need my liver for a few more decades......

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Old 03-26-2013, 01:59 PM   #110
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We arrived early the next morning for b'fast and the place we ate dinner had slept in so we tried the spot across from it. Good stuff!



Another map on the wall......



And an interesting conversation with a local who asked about our trip....he thought it best if we avoided a specific town that was not on our list.....of course, Burt had been there in previous years.......
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Old 03-26-2013, 02:14 PM   #111
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Time to climb a hill or two, Urique-here we come.......Todays ascent is 9400 ft and descent is 9300 ft over another 50 miles. Slow miles again today.

I did catch three of them exiting Juanitas, nobody got hit which is a good thing since it's a blind entry to the street.







Folks were bathing in the river the night before.....



I passed on this gas station....it was a short day.



And that's the end of Burts photos. The disc has jpeg files but nothing will view or play after #2618.....still might get a few of Mikes into play....
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Old 03-26-2013, 02:18 PM   #112
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And an interesting conversation with a local who asked about our trip....he thought it best if we avoided a specific town that was not on our list.....of course, Burt had been there in previous years.......
This guy was actually travelling with the Federal Police, he had an armed escort (think 50 cal, truck mounted) as he was setting up a course for a mountain bike race. He seemed to know what we were up to and where we had been verifying the thought that the Fed's had us on the map. He took off in a hurry as he said he had a flight to catch.... No airport in Batopilas that I know about, maybe they had a helicopter?????

Get to Batopilas before the tour buses ruin it. Prices are sure to go up and it will loose its unique appeal.
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Old 03-26-2013, 02:46 PM   #113
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Pavement and progress are on their way. Batopilas had a flavor that was missing from Urique for exactly that reason. Urique is much more accessible and although it's just over the mountain, Batopilas still takes some work to see.

Up and over we go........but first we have some water to cross......major difference between the spring and fall.......







Back into the pines.....



Gregg



Burt and his wingman Mike



Chabon (there is no Doug in Spanish)



Canyon country..........





Don't get too close to the prickly pears......



I hope this doesn't bore you.........





Steer clear, hombre......



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Old 03-26-2013, 03:05 PM   #114
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Old 03-26-2013, 03:23 PM   #115
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Could you guys say a bit more about how you think the CP's work, please ?

Are they lookouts for the safety of the community, or the narco-industry (which provides lots of community "improvements").

I understand the concept of communities forming their own security systems....and also know that Copper Canyon is a significant drug supplying area. As such, it is sometimes un-nerving to have guys in civvies packing automatic assault weapons.

Recently on a ride in Michoacan, I saw a situation with a group of guys in civvies hovering around a pick-up with a guy sprawled on the front seat with his own machine gun.....I didn't know if he was dead or looking for his keys???? and kept on riding...


Thanks for more insight to your experience and understanding of this issue.
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Old 03-26-2013, 03:52 PM   #116
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Could you guys say a bit more about how you think the CP's work, please ?

Are they lookouts for the safety of the community, or the narco-industry (which provides lots of community "improvements").

I understand the concept of communities forming their own security systems....and also know that Copper Canyon is a significant drug supplying area. As such, it is sometimes un-nerving to have guys in civvies packing automatic assault weapons.

Recently on a ride in Michoacan, I saw a situation with a group of guys in civvies hovering around a pick-up with a guy sprawled on the front seat with his own machine gun.....I didn't know if he was dead or looking for his keys???? and kept on riding...


Thanks for more insight to your experience and understanding of this issue.
Ged,
I'm going to decline. I really don't have any concrete knowledge to answer those issues. I only know what I experienced and none of those folks ever presented an issue to this group except for the photo and we knew better. I really never felt un-nerved by anyone. Perhaps it's because I grew up in Wyoming and live in Utah. Guns is guns whether it's a derringer or an assault rifle. The folks that I interacted with treated me well. I'm not fluent in their language but they always made the effort to communicate with me and it was mostly successful and pleasant. I was offered mota several times and places and my response was always accepted.

If there are any folks who have the insight that Ged requests, I'd like you to PM him. One of my goals is to de-escalate and downplay this situation. We had a great time and a great ride through great country and that's what I'd really like to focus on. I took the b'fast conversation as a safety net that was meant to keep us out of trouble, nothing more. I included it because it was part of what happened and I'd like the report to be accurate.

Cheers mates.......
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Old 03-26-2013, 03:55 PM   #117
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Could you guys say a bit more about how you think the CP's work, please ?

Are they lookouts for the safety of the community, or the narco-industry (which provides lots of community "improvements").

I understand the concept of communities forming their own security systems....and also know that Copper Canyon is a significant drug supplying area. As such, it is sometimes un-nerving to have guys in civvies packing automatic assault weapons.

Recently on a ride in Michoacan, I saw a situation with a group of guys in civvies hovering around a pick-up with a guy sprawled on the front seat with his own machine gun.....I didn't know if he was dead or looking for his keys???? and kept on riding...


Thanks for more insight to your experience and understanding of this issue.
I can only speculate, but take a look at this linked article

http://www.insightcrime.org/news-ana...emma-in-mexico

We never felt threatened, and in some sense it was reassuring to know there was some sort of protection in the area. Didn't see these guys in Batopilas, Urique, Chinapas, Alamos, El Fuerte, but maybe the Chamber of Commerce in those towns has a little more influence. They might have just been 'less' visible.

There is a "Is Mexico Safe" thread at http://advrider.com/forums/showthrea...ht=mexico+safe
Probably more information and better to discuss there.

Now pass me a Tecate
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Old 03-26-2013, 04:06 PM   #118
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The road to Urique continues......











I like riding up more than riding down. It's a whole bunch of work to roll my bike around all those hairpins on the downhill. It's a whole bunch of fun to squeeze the throttle and spin around them going up....





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Just like all canyons, the north, south, east and west facing slopes have their own weather patterns and vegetation......and yes, I admit to being a photo slut of sorts.....I used to take slides (a version of film from the pre-digital age) when I backpacked the Wind River Range.....it's amazing how easy photography has become. I chided Chabon for his camera on a lanyard, looks like a Japanese tourist, but I'm now figuring where to mount a GoPro3.......can't get enough footage with the handheld.





Time to get to work and get down.....into that canyon.......











I have to chuckle, Mike and I stopped on one of those bends and he spotted a boat trailer at the bottom of the ravine....WTF......
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Old 03-26-2013, 04:35 PM   #120
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It was somewhere around this spot that we crossed paths with 7 moto riders. The second was on a Suzie DRZ and told me he was from Minnesota.



It was early afternoon and his bike was shooting coolant out of the drain hose. I didn't take any photos but encouraged them to get rolling, they were headed to Batopilas and had left Urique after noon. My concern is that they left late, had a long ride in front of them during the heat of the day and might have bit off more than they realized. Our group of 5 was sometimes difficult to coordinate and a couple more to keep track of would be another challenge. I'd sure like to hear that it went well and I'll bet they have some stories of that day.



This was another of my personal challenges, we had some water crossings to do and I'm the guy who drowned his XR in Cherry Creek a few years back.....

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