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Old 03-18-2013, 10:49 AM   #1
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Wow she (2010 990) really is misbehaving in sand. The front end wants to swap in a bad way. Even with stabilizer almost fully cranked in. Any front end advice for sandy roads....
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Old 03-18-2013, 10:52 AM   #2
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Wow she (2010 990) really is misbehaving in sand. The front end wants to swap in a bad way. Even with stabilizer almost fully cranked in. Any front end advice for sandy roads....
What tyres are you running? Lowered the tyre pressure? Standing on the pegs? Gaze far ahead? Easy on the handlebars and steer with your knees? Let it move beneth you? When in doubt gas it?
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Old 03-18-2013, 11:01 AM   #3
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Wow she (2010 990) really is misbehaving in sand. The front end wants to swap in a bad way. Even with stabilizer almost fully cranked in. Any front end advice for sandy roads....
No chance to get the max out of it unless you sort the front end springs. In any case, you have to really tighten your suspension, try sport settings to start with.
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Old 03-18-2013, 11:17 AM   #4
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Old 03-18-2013, 11:27 AM   #5
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Lowered the front tire pressure, standing up, trying to steer with legs etc, I've been desert racing for years and just cant believe how the front end wants to tank swap. Forks are headed to Superplush this week hopefully that will help.
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Old 03-18-2013, 11:34 AM   #6
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Wow she (2010 990) really is misbehaving in sand. The front end wants to swap in a bad way. Even with stabilizer almost fully cranked in. Any front end advice for sandy roads....
The stabilizer may be your problem. The bike wants to move around a bit and I've found too much stabilizer will work against me, and make me fall down.

Other thing to know:


Riding in sand is difficult, especially on a wallowing 500lb beast of a bike.


Yes, "gas it out" is always the over-simplified answer, and works a treat- until you have to slow down for sharp turns or (like yesterday) deep, long (miles) sections of sand whoops.
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Old 03-18-2013, 11:47 AM   #7
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Especially with a full tank (which always seems to be the case when I come to the deepest sand) there is a lot of weight on the front end... Gotta get your weight back.
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Old 03-18-2013, 12:48 PM   #8
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Lowered the front tire pressure, standing up, trying to steer with legs etc, I've been desert racing for years and just cant believe how the front end wants to tank swap. Forks are headed to Superplush this week hopefully that will help.
If you've been desert racing for years you're more experienced than I am. But have you tried lowering the rear suspension and stiffening up the front? That increases the steering rake angle and should make the bike more stable.

Also - stupid question: your front wheel is spinning smootlhy right? No gravel or anything between the disc and the caliber?
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Old 03-18-2013, 12:55 PM   #9
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Old 03-18-2013, 01:02 PM   #10
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Yes don't over rely on your stabilizer. Turn it back a few turns so you're not fighting it. Now use that throttle!! You need to be moving at least 40 mph to break plain, then things will settle down. stand up and let that beast move under you. Speed is your friend!
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Old 03-18-2013, 01:07 PM   #11
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My little sand lesson.

Find sand without obstacles, keep speed down, and practice a given stretch many times so you become comfortable while you learn how to react automatically.

From a stand still, look ahead, aggressively look ahead to where you want to go, aim with your eyes and lean forward as if you "will" yourself to the spot. Do this in a straight line at first.

Think of working the throttle up and down rpm's with the back spinning and let the bike work under you. If you strive to look where you want to go and let your body move to control the direction, then the bike can take care of its job and go there.

Handlebar grip should be firm but light, don't fight, just guide the front. Your body needs to move around, the bodies weight distribution allows the back tire to sweep and steer the bike. To learn you got to loosen up and experiment and at the same time aiming to a spot to go. Don’t be looking down at the front tire. Looking ahead gives you balance and control.

After the straight stretch is going OK start some sweeping turns with the rear tire spinning. When you can start “drifting” back and forth you are getting it.

As an example of the time and effort you need to get results think of learning to play a simple song on the violin. Practice and practice and you will be rewarded. For learning safety beware of riding too fast. This can be done a slower speeds. Enjoy and have fun.


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Old 03-18-2013, 01:10 PM   #12
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Old 03-18-2013, 01:20 PM   #13
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It's as easy as it is hard. Don't fight the bike.
Theh arder u clamp on the grips the more the front end wil be upset, let the wheel find it's on way.
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Old 03-18-2013, 02:10 PM   #15
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