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Old 03-21-2013, 01:02 PM   #1
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Western/Central PA Recon--local help, is there snow?

Good afternoon folks, looking for a little help in Central and Western PA to see if there's any local knowledge out there about a route I'm going to recon for a fellow ADVer and perhaps follow on riders who'll want to enjoy the area.

I'm concerned that the central elevations on the route below, just SW of Black Moshannon will be snow covered still the weekend of 3/29-31 and the recon will be a bust. They are up around 2500 feet... do any of you know if those areas will be open that soon?

The rest of the route is considerably lower except the eastern end of the north loop with elevations up to 2000 feet there.



Thoughts please?
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Old 03-21-2013, 06:49 PM   #2
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Thoughts please?
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Old 03-22-2013, 06:21 AM   #3
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Are you staying at hotel/motel or camping?
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Old 03-22-2013, 06:35 AM   #4
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I'll hotel it if I'm solo...gives time to stop and have a regular meal--mebbe a beer

I'd camp if I had company....all the stuff is out and I'm due.

Wanna come? You'd be very welcome--we do some good ridin'

And I'm taking the WR--best to recon with that--plus I can put it on the back of my truck. I have a National Guard armory I called and will stage out of.

I'm looking to ride most of the route Friday and Saturday--short piece on Sunday morning and then off to Bastian, VA to see Lady Draco on my way to TDY at Fort Pickett.
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Old 03-22-2013, 07:02 AM   #5
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Hmmm!

Checking my schedule.


My dad's family is from Oil City, I put out a call for local weather input.

I will get back to you. How much of this route is dirt?
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Old 03-22-2013, 07:58 AM   #6
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Here's some current reports for you:


I live southwest of Butler, we currently have about a half inch of snow in the yard as of this morning, with more supposed to be on the way...probably won't be substantial.

My parents live in Oil City, and I just spoke with my mom this morning, she says about 6" on the ground, and at least 4"-5" more expected by the end of the day today. Probably even more over the weekend.

Friend of mine lives in Bellefonte, PA, works in State College, he says they currently have about an inch on the ground there.
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Old 03-22-2013, 08:15 AM   #7
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"All of it" :-D I think most of it....it's a great ride, talking to Scott, the author.

There were some bridges out--and some might be seasonally closed.
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Here's some current reports for you:


I live southwest of Butler, we currently have about a half inch of snow in the yard as of this morning, with more supposed to be on the way...probably won't be substantial.

My parents live in Oil City, and I just spoke with my mom this morning, she says about 6" on the ground, and at least 4"-5" more expected by the end of the day today. Probably even more over the weekend.

Friend of mine lives in Bellefonte, PA, works in State College, he says they currently have about an inch on the ground there.
Thanks...so, my take away is it's your opinion that intermittantly traversed roads in the hills are likely to still be snow/ice covered?

Many thanks.
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Thanks...so, my take away is it's your opinion that intermittantly traversed roads in the hills are likely to still be snow/ice covered?

Many thanks.
Probably a good guess that there would be some snow covered dirt roads presently. We really haven't been getting a whole lot of accumulation near the Butler area for the past couple of weeks though.

It seems that from I80 and north is where we usually get the most snow in this part of the state, so when you're getting close to the I80 corridor, you might encounter a little more snow on the ground.

I'm really surprised that my friend in the State College area only has around an inch though, being in the higher elevations.
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OK....I think it's worth a try--this is when the calendar is open. I'm on a WR250R, it's OK in an inch of snow--but nothing but studs work on ice IMO...so if the roads are hard packed snow it's bad.

The next question, is are a lot of the state park routes closed?
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Old 03-22-2013, 09:51 AM   #11
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I can't speak for all of the parks you may have on your route, but I don't recall any of the state park roads really being closed seasonally.

Growing up we always used to visit a local state park year round, and where I live now there are two that I go to semi-frequently throughout the year, none of them ever had a "through way" road closed down. You may see some access roads to isolated beaches or picnic areas gated off within the parks, but the main roads that pass through the parks are typically open from my experiences.

Another thing that I thought I'd mention is some of the park roads will not have winter maintenance done to them, but again, the snow hasn't been real bad on this side of the state for a good while now, so I don't think there would be too many issues you'd encounter, unless you were heading north of I80, so you should be good.
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Old 03-22-2013, 10:44 AM   #12
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YoBill,
My kin in Oil City says that they have 6 inches of snow on the ground
and most of the secondary roads are slushy and messy.

I would love to proof this route with you, however next weekend is Easter and I plan on spending the day with my family. Keep me posted, if I can I will ride with you on the next one!
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Great intel!

Thanks Shawn, I'm thinking maybe this one gets done with the Xterra
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:47 PM   #14
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Bill, I'm 15 miles from black moshannon. The state forests roads are packed snow. Looking at your map I'm guessing you are traveling rt 504 thru that area. It will most likely have a ton of loose gravel, maybe some snow. Casanova road out of the park will be very questionable. Not as well maintained, with shaded tight turns in places.

I can probably have a look for you this weekend and post some pics.

BTW, nice park. Our favorite campground.
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:55 PM   #15
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I'm alittle ne from your route. Camp is 1700 ft, renovo
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Dirt roads also look like this.
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