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Old 03-21-2013, 04:34 PM   #1
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The New -- Liquid-Cooled -- BMW RT?

Maybe the new liquid-cooled RT isn't as far off as some have suggested.

http://blog.motorcycle.com/2013/03/2...ampaign=weekly
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Old 03-21-2013, 06:09 PM   #2
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Maybe the new liquid-cooled RT isn't as far off as some have suggested.

http://blog.motorcycle.com/2013/03/2...ampaign=weekly

Now I'd like to see an LC R1200RS. That would be a fun bike with a bit less bulk then the RT.
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Old 03-21-2013, 06:31 PM   #3
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I hope they offer it in a different paint scheme.





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Old 03-21-2013, 07:07 PM   #4
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A liquid cooled BMW boxer is blasphemy, just like a liquid cooled Harley. It's just plain wrong. BMW has a liquid cooled motor. Leave the purists alone.
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:45 PM   #5
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A liquid cooled BMW boxer is blasphemy, just like a liquid cooled Harley. It's just plain wrong. BMW has a liquid cooled motor. Leave the purists alone.
It hasn't been "pure" since the advent of oil cooling, and the liquid cooling in the new Boxer is quite minimal.

I am definitely interested in the new RT, but I can't imagine it being much lower than $22K-$24K, and that's just too damn much.
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Old 03-22-2013, 09:32 PM   #6
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It hasn't been "pure" since the advent of oil cooling, and the liquid cooling in the new Boxer is quite minimal.
In a manner of speaking it hasn't been "pure" since WWII ended
I am going to hell for that
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Old 03-23-2013, 01:30 AM   #7
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In a manner of speaking it hasn't been "pure" since WWII ended
I am going to hell for that
Quite possible

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Old 03-23-2013, 03:14 AM   #8
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Pure or impure, atleast the headlight seems to be going the 1600GTL way, which is a nice touch.
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Old 03-23-2013, 06:44 AM   #9
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I am definitely interested in the new RT, but I can't imagine it being much lower than $22K-$24K, and that's just too damn much.
That. Personally I think the RT benefits more from the new motor and electronics than the GS does. I still consider the Hexhead GS a true dua-sport with equal weighting on dirt and street functionality.

On dirt, 15 more HP and list of new whiz bang electronics are not going make it any better.

RT is pure road bike with lot of emphasis on electronics and comfort features.
The liquid cooled technology will really make the RT that much better.
It can also use all the additional power it can get.

But for my pocketbook the RT is already now too pricey (as new).
The new one will make it even more so.
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Old 03-23-2013, 01:18 PM   #10
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I was in the market for one, but I decided getting an FJR, completely modding it out and having enough left over to buy just about any decent bike on craiglist was a better option.
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Old 03-23-2013, 06:33 PM   #11
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Maybe the new liquid-cooled RT isn't as far off as some have suggested
http://blog.motorcycle.com/2013/03/2...ampaign=weekly
Any clearer pictures? The paint job seems kind of ugly to me...
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Old 03-23-2013, 07:56 PM   #12
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Any clearer pictures? The paint job seems kind of ugly to me...
Ummm. The BLACK & WHITE swirl or psycho-dylic graphs are vinyl graphics that BMW Motorrad as well as the Auto Group (BMW/Mini Cooper/Rolls Royce-Bentley) use over the paint ON PURPOSE, so as not to give away body design. They also use screwed on "PLASTIC Fenders" attached with external screws...
Usuallly, if these vehicles are seen, they are conducting road tests with computer equipment reading everything from road noise, emissions, vehicle electronics, and engine functions. The vehicles need "real world" driving miles and they are usually running 15 hours out of 24 everyday...

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Old 03-23-2013, 08:02 PM   #13
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A liquid cooled BMW boxer is blasphemy, just like a liquid cooled Harley. It's just plain wrong. BMW has a liquid cooled motor. Leave the purists alone.
Hot flash: Oil in the current boxers is "liquid cooling". That's what the radiator is for.

And FWIW, the Street Rod has the best engine in the HD lineup. Sad that a lot of the HD crowd does not consider it to be a Harley. What I can't wait to see is what happens when HD is forced to stick liquid cooled engines in the rest of the line for EPA requirements. Talk about culture shock !

Kind of like happened when BMW went from the Airheads to the Oilheads. Or the switch from carbs to fuel injection. Or points and condensers to electronic ignitions. Nobody likes change. Mostly things improved greatly.
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Old 03-23-2013, 09:51 PM   #14
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Old 03-24-2013, 12:36 AM   #15
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I don't understand why everybody is so supportive of the EPA. They have destroyed cars, and are now destroying motorcycles. My two main hobbies. Yet they have done nothing to protect the land and water. The local lake is a cesspool, and the once beautiful desert and farmland has been permanently destroyed by developers with cookie cutter stucco houses and shopping malls as far as you can see (from 10,000 feet) And if there is an air pollution problem here, and I have not seen it, it is because the population is not 20 times what it was 40 years ago, because of the developers, which the EPA did nothing about. They scream about air pollution, while standing by and allowing my state to be destroyed. I have no sympathy for the EPA whatsoever.

And vehicles have only gotten better due to higher quality materials and manufacturing techniques. I am the owner of two 50 year old cars, and have had no problems with them. Built to todays specs, without all the EPA crap, they would last just as long as new cars.


Those old BMWs had a special something I call character and personality. You could actually see them shake as they sat there idling, and you could feel the firing pulses when accelerating. Now they feel like turbine engines. As long as Harley keeps their 45 degree single crankpin long stroke design, they will still have that character and personality. I have seen patent drawings for a liquid cooled Harley, and the liquid cooling is nearly invisible. No huge radiator up front like the V-Rod.

But it is still totally wrong for any manufacturer to have to switch to liquid cooling if they don't want to. And since Polaris just developed an entirely new air cooled engine for Indian, I wouldn't write off air cooled engines just yet.
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