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Old 03-29-2013, 07:34 AM   #31
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RT to me feels like a Mercedes S class
GT like a Masaratti - Quattroport
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I explain my GS as like riding a tractor with a barcolounger on top.

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The BMW motorcycles just have this very additive ride quality. It's really like once you try one all others are junk. I just don't care for having to spend $4000 for an out of warranty FD or $10,000 if the engine blows. It's very similar to Range Rovers. I had a RR sport and loved the way the thing drove. Nothing compared to the quality, build, looks, overall feel of the machine. Problem was it was constantly in the shop with MAJOR repairs. Thankfully all under warranty. Traded it for a VW before the warranty expired.
Are you pretty good at wrenching? I just had to replace the rear main seal and o-ring in my K1200RS. I also replaced the clutch plate since it had gotten oil on it. Total cost of parts: $300. The rear-main seal, o-ring and clutch plate came to about $140 of that. The rest was bolts, gaskets and washers. Many of the bolts in the clutch plate area and the driveshaft-to-transmission connection are labeled as one-time-use only, and the repair manuals state that they should be replaced.

As far as parts, Max BMW and Bob's BMW have always had everything I've needed, in stock. BeemerBoneyard is cheaper on some stuff, like the clutch plate, I got it from them for ~$100 when the dealer plate was $189.

But I've orderrd parts for 7 different BMW models ranging from 1976 - 2004 and I've always had them in my possession within a week from Max or Bob's.

I'm only speaking from my personal experience now, but IMO one of the attractions of BMWs is that it's pretty easy to get parts for older bikes. One of my other bikes is an Aprilia Futura. They were only made for 4 years. If something with the Rotax motor or tranny breaks, I should be able to find replacements, but if it's something on the dash or fairing or bike specific, I'll have to pray that someone has the part on ebay, or part out my bike.
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:54 AM   #32
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I was gonna mention that an Fjr was your best bet until you said it compares to a dodge journey

A Hd owner saying a FJR is as boring as owning a dodge journey..

Good luck with the new bike...
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:56 AM   #33
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oh boy

"The BMW motorcycles just have this very additive ride quality. It's really like once you try one all others are junk"

Your starting to sound like a BMW snob (go for it then)

The only reason i have BMW`s is because of my very good friend (K1100LT owner) I sure do miss my 07 FJR & i most likely will get rid of my RT if Yamaha ever gets there head out of there ass & totally redue the FJR (not like the redue on the 2013 model)
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Old 03-29-2013, 09:10 AM   #34
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If I wanted a sport tourer, I would definitely go with a Japanese bike. Their reliability and quality is a given, their parts are less expensive, and while I dislike all dealers, if you do need service I would rather deal with a Japanese dealer than a BMW dealer.

Of all the different brands of bikes out there, the one I would avoid due to quality and reliability problems is BMW. And I have never even ridden one. But horror stories abound, way more of them than with other brands. And they are more expensive to buy, maintain, and repair. From everything I have heard, from many different sources, modern BMWs ride and feel much like Japanese bikes.

I can understand the attraction of a Ducati (though I can't ride one) and a Harley, even though they do have issues most Japanese bikes don't have, But I just don't get the thing about newer BMWs. It seems they are simply more expensive, harder to maintain, less reliable versions of Japanese bikes.

Bikes from different countries, and different cultures, like Italian, German, Japanese, and American, all have their own distinct flavors. It just seems BMWs come a lot closer to Japanese bikes than other brands. I know for a fact that is the case with Mercedes. I cannot tell a Mercedes from a Toyota Camry, in either looks or feel.

And yes I know this is mostly a BMW site, but I still don't get it.
So you've never even ridden one, or apparently owned one but as usual, have "heard" of all the horror stories about how unreliable BMW's are? Why is it always that those who seem to know about how "unreliable" BMW's are have never owned one? What a bunch of BS. Go to a BMW rally, and see how many bikes there have over 100K on the clock and are still running.
Part of the problem as well is all the cheap ass BMW owners who think that because they bought a $20K bike, it should NEVER have any issues and it should be under warranty for all eternity. News flash - sometimes mechanical things break, and the need to be fixed, and its costs money, regardless of what brand of bike it is. Crying and whining about it all over the internet doesn't make the problem go away either.
Dude. Buy the BMW. They are great bikes. My RT is the 5th bike I've owned, and its honestly the best bike I've eve owned. If it breaks, I will pay to fix it, and the parts are expensive. I know that already.
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Old 03-29-2013, 10:54 AM   #35
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At the end of the day,we all buy vehicles for different reasons. My car is a German sports sedan and not very cheap to maintain. I knew this when I bought it, but the ride is so much fun, that the cost is worth it. My K1300s has only needed routine services and those are not cheap either. I buy the car or bike that I want and deal with the cost of ownership. I would not get much satisfaction out of owning a bike, where the only thing that I like about it, is that it's cheap to own.
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Old 03-29-2013, 11:41 AM   #36
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I have 90,00 km on my 2008 GT. I have 2 other bikes a KTM 990 and a Super Tenere.

My GT has never left me stranded, but then the rear drive puked out at the dealership service lot . It is a good bike to get on in Vancouver and ride to the east coast.

I was having some fairly serious issue prior to it's warranty expiring and the parts and labour for the last service under warranty and all covered were over 10 K, certain BMW dealerships are better than others and since my warranty service at San Jose the bike has been reliable.

I ride moto escort for sporting events and it is not a city bike, a day of tight U-turns is a pain.

The bike depreciated like a stone and I would have had far more residual value with an RT or GS which cost less.

Lots of wear items are expensive and when the ESA craps out the low cost alternative is to buy regular Ohlins.

I will keep it until the wheels fall off but I would not if I had the chance go back and do it again. Financially the RT or GS is a better bike for resale.

I much prefer my wife's FJR - it runs on regular gas has zero issues and a really nice transmission.
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Old 03-29-2013, 08:18 PM   #37
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So you've never even ridden one, or apparently owned one but as usual, have "heard" of all the horror stories about how unreliable BMW's are? Why is it always that those who seem to know about how "unreliable" BMW's are have never owned one? What a bunch of BS. Go to a BMW rally, and see how many bikes there have over 100K on the clock and are still running.
Part of the problem as well is all the cheap ass BMW owners who think that because they bought a $20K bike, it should NEVER have any issues and it should be under warranty for all eternity. News flash - sometimes mechanical things break, and the need to be fixed, and its costs money, regardless of what brand of bike it is. Crying and whining about it all over the internet doesn't make the problem go away either.
Dude. Buy the BMW. They are great bikes. My RT is the 5th bike I've owned, and its honestly the best bike I've eve owned. If it breaks, I will pay to fix it, and the parts are expensive. I know that already.
When you "read about" 10 times as many problems with BMWs than you do Japanese bikes, it becomes kind of obvious. Are all these BMW owners lying? I doubt it. There is a long thread on page one right now about BMW final drive failures. You hardly ever hear of major problems with Japanese bikes, and they cost a lot less than a BMW. BMWs look like Japanese bikes, and sound like Japanese bikes, I don't know how they ride, but I have looked them over at the local dealer a few times. I do not go there to look at BMWs, couldn't afford one if I did want it. The BMW dealer is also a Vespa dealer. It seems like you pay more all the way around for a BMW than a Japanese bike. What makes them so special? I do understand the difference between a Harley and a Japanese bike, if I could afford it I would buy the Harley. But just how much difference is there between a BMW and a Honda or Yamaha?
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Old 03-30-2013, 02:14 AM   #38
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When you "read about" 10 times as many problems with BMWs than you do Japanese bikes, it becomes kind of obvious. Are all these BMW owners lying? I doubt it. There is a long thread on page one right now about BMW final drive failures. You hardly ever hear of major problems with Japanese bikes, and they cost a lot less than a BMW. BMWs look like Japanese bikes, and sound like Japanese bikes, I don't know how they ride, but I have looked them over at the local dealer a few times. I do not go there to look at BMWs, couldn't afford one if I did want it. The BMW dealer is also a Vespa dealer. It seems like you pay more all the way around for a BMW than a Japanese bike. What makes them so special? I do understand the difference between a Harley and a Japanese bike, if I could afford it I would buy the Harley. But just how much difference is there between a BMW and a Honda or Yamaha?
you have already been told.Ride one and see for yourself.The germans do have their own way,and it works for me.
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Old 03-30-2013, 06:05 AM   #39
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Yeah, those final drives are fine. lol All hype. Right up until it's YOUR vacation they ruin, lol. carry a spare
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Old 03-30-2013, 02:35 PM   #40
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Laugh

Just came back from a friends house & worked on a K1200LT. We find out that the final drive failed, as it only lasted 157, 000 miles (dam you BMW)
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Old 03-30-2013, 03:25 PM   #41
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"The BMW motorcycles just have this very additive ride quality. It's really like once you try one all others are junk"

I'm not a BMW owner but I've ridden many of them and you know, he's not really too far off with that. I wouldn't say that all others are junk, but when you ride a modern BMW you feel like you could go anywhere in the world. They do have a special feel to them. You have to decide for yoruself if the potential for a costly breakdown is woth it to you or not.
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Old 03-30-2013, 08:35 PM   #42
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I put 16k miles on a 2008 K1200GT and never had a problem. Traded it because I was ready for something different (R1200R). Rode the K to Banff, Death Valley and Utah from NorCal. If it floats your boat, get it.

Also, let me know if you want a Corbin seat for it. :)
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Old 03-30-2013, 08:41 PM   #43
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I've seen a K1200GT engine on the shelf, rod through the block. Bolts fell out of the rod cap.
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Old 03-30-2013, 09:04 PM   #44
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If it floats your boat, get it.
Ultimately, I think this is the best advice in the whole thread. You can argue back and forth whether they're reliable or worth the risk/money but in the end bikes aren't usually rational purchases. I research motorcycle purchases to death before I buy and I've had many Japanese bikes and now two BMW's. In all cases, the bikes I liked the best, owned the longest, and put the most miles on were the ones that pushed the right buttons.
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Old 04-01-2013, 04:42 AM   #45
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I'm in the same boat as the OP. Looking at a 2004 R1150RT with only 35000kms at the local dealer. Bike looks well looked after and the dealer has gone over it, replaced all the fluids and is including a 30 day warranty. All the talk of FD failures and transmission spline issues has me worried a little. I do trust my dealer, although sh!t happens sometimes. I love the feel of the R engines, I compare it to the feel the HD guys have to their V-Twins. I'm going up tomorrow to have a look at it. Made a huge mistake buying a Ninja two years ago.

I have had a 2003 3-Series, two MINI Coopers, and still own an '05 and a 2006 X5. I have also had a 2009 G650 X-Country. Love the BMW's and have never had any major problems with any of them, other than a well known power steering pump failure on our '05 Mini. Yes parts are expensive and regular maintenance is little more, but nothing drives like a BMW. If they are well maintained I don't think they are any less reliable than any other bike.

If you want a change the oil once a year only and forget about everything else go get an ST1300 (great bike BTW, just a little too boring for me).
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